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Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:16 am

efs, ironman or tuff dog suspension

which is better efs, ironman or tuff dog suspension

Does anyone know if mitsubishi triton leaf springs will fit in a mitsubishi challenger
or can someone measure the distance between the mounting points of a triton springs and the distance from the front of the spring to the diff locating pin
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Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:19 pm

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I've got a trade account a Carrolls Springs. I think they sell EFS. If you can tell me what you're after I can get you a price.
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Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:59 pm

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Thanks phippsy i need some 2" lifted leaf springs for a 1999 mitsubishi challenger and a price would be fantastic thank you
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Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:20 pm

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Sorry to hear about ya brother mate.

6.5 meant no harm.

EFS or OME are the go
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Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:36 pm

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my brother was known as dazza30875 on here
some of might have heard about the motorbike accident near yandina about 3 weeks ago (16-aug) well that was him
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Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:58 pm

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flyinwall wrote:ok screw you 6.5 i only asked as i am on an extreme budget and i thought someone on here would have some respectfull answeres but obviously there are only wankers like you here

and just to let you know something i just had my 34yo little brothers funeral on monday so sorry if im nasty at the moment as your comment was not called for


Well arnt you just a slick richard the 3rd....

What 6.5 was pointing out is if you do a simple half second search instead of asking a question that gets asked at least ones a week.

Iron Man is cheap CRAP and isnt worth its weight in scrap.

Tough Dog (the cheap shocks) are ok but I wouldn't run them or recomend them. They fade and don't last much past 50ks
Tough Dog 41+mm foam shocks are great if you have a heavy rig like a patrol or cruiser.
Tough Dog springs are OK, Torsion bars are good

OME springs are good but VERY STIFF
OME shocks are OK

TJM XGS shocks are good but they use really crap bushings and commonly fail.

EFS springs are by far the best
EFS Elite shocks are great for most applications and will outlast the 100k warranty
EFS extreems are ok but fade.

The company i work for has 50+ work Utes that all live there lifes going to and from the mines and driving on haul roads we get our utes brand new we put EFS shocks and springs on them. At 260000ks re retire the cars and put the old factory springs and torsion bars back on them to sell the utes. We put the old springs onto the new utes replace the shocks with new EFS shocks and send them to work. We normally get 500000 too 600000ks out of a set of springs in utes that commonly have over a Ton in tools driving the hardest roads. Our utes normally clock around 10000 a month.

In the past 8 years my boss has tested and tried every brand out there EFS is the only thing he will put on work utes.

flyinwall wrote:which is better efs, ironman or tuff dog suspension

Does anyone know if mitsubishi triton leaf springs will fit in a mitsubishi challenger
or can someone measure the distance between the mounting points of a triton springs and the distance from the front of the spring to the diff locating pin


SO did you get under your car and measure the length of your springs so you could give a measurement to compare or are you to lazy to help others help you?

Hmmm come to think about it in my opinion I think you should go with Ironman it would make a good fit for your budget :roll:
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Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:33 pm

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Ok Dave i asked if TRITON SPRINGS FIT IN THE CHALLENGER THAT I OWN and if someone could measure some triton springs so i could compare them to the CHALLENGER springs so i would be able to tell if they fit what i have and yes i did bloody search and i couldn't get the answer i needed so that is why i asked the bloody question

Oh by the way did you know tuff dog IS ironman (different name same contact details and address)
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Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:53 pm

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flyinwall wrote:Ok Dave i asked if TRITON SPRINGS FIT IN THE CHALLENGER THAT I OWN and if someone could measure some triton springs so i could compare them to the CHALLENGER springs so i would be able to tell if they fit what i have and yes i did bloody search and i couldn't get the answer i needed so that is why i asked the bloody question
Oh by the way did you know tuff dog IS ironman (different name same contact details and address)


They like a lot of spring products are kept at a central shipping warehouse. They are not made at the same place. They are not the same product.

You started a thread a few days ago asking the same question. Where you got the answer you needed about quality of springs. Why start a new thread? Why not just fallow up on that one with your other questions? These are the reasons you get replies like what 6.5 gave you.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=231136

Just so you know a triton and a challanger weights are completely different by at least 100k. In that even if the springs are the same length you will have a different spring rate causing a bad ride or premature failure.

The fact that you cant afford to pay the less then $900 for the price of the HD spring set I quoted you on your other thread let alone the less then $700 figure for the normal one tells me you cant afford any unexpected failures you will undoutably come across if you try to do this cheaply. So why don't you take the advice you were given in the first thread you started. Save for a few extra weeks and have it done ones and don't pay more later.

A pore man will always pay twice.
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:04 am

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Hey Dave how about you try losing a family member then tell me you don't forget things and im sorry that not everyone makes $2000 a week working in the mines
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:14 am

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flyinwall wrote:Hey Dave how about you try losing a family member then tell me you don't forget things

Sorry to hear about your family loosing anybody is always hard.
flyinwall wrote: im sorry that not everyone makes $2000 a week working in the mines

Mate if you go back and re-read everything I have said to you in both thread without a chip on your shoulder you will see that I am trying to help you.

Take the advice.
SAVE your money or you will pay more in the long run.

If you get ironman within 6 months the springs will sag and you will only have about 1" of lift and after about 12 months it will be back at standard height.

$700 is not a lot of money compared to most lift kits. Drink a little less piss on the weekend and eat a Medium maccas meal instead of a large and you will have it saved in no time.
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:22 am

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Dave i appreciate that your trying to help and i apologise for losing my cool before and as for the triton springs i know they are a different spring rate all i was trying to figure out is if they would fit in my challenger cause a can get a good set from the wreckers at a good price
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:29 am

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flyinwall wrote:Dave i appreciate that your trying to help and i apologise for losing my cool before and as for the triton springs i know they are a different spring rate all i was trying to figure out is if they would fit in my challenger cause a can get a good set from the wreckers at a good price


If you REALLY want to do this on the cheap get under you rig and measure how long and how wide your springs are. With those measurements go to a wreckers and have a look through a few older 4wds. Purchase a few old springs off a older rig that have springs that are the same width as your springs. Keeping your top leaf (the ones that hold your bush's) and add a leaf or swop a few leafs with other packs. This will be time consuming and will be a trial and error thing but at the end you will have a spring pack that will cost less then a few hundred.
You can always do this with the Triton springs your talking about. Just simply swop the top leaf if they are different lengths.
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:51 am

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V.W.Dave wrote:
flyinwall wrote:ok screw you 6.5 i only asked as i am on an extreme budget and i thought someone on here would have some respectfull answeres but obviously there are only wankers like you here

and just to let you know something i just had my 34yo little brothers funeral on monday so sorry if im nasty at the moment as your comment was not called for


Well arnt you just a slick richard the 3rd....

What 6.5 was pointing out is if you do a simple half second search instead of asking a question that gets asked at least ones a week.

Iron Man is cheap CRAP and isnt worth its weight in scrap.

Tough Dog (the cheap shocks) are ok but I wouldn't run them or recomend them. They fade and don't last much past 50ks
Tough Dog 41+mm foam shocks are great if you have a heavy rig like a patrol or cruiser.
Tough Dog springs are OK, Torsion bars are good

OME springs are good but VERY STIFF
OME shocks are OK

TJM XGS shocks are good but they use really crap bushings and commonly fail.

EFS springs are by far the best
EFS Elite shocks are great for most applications and will outlast the 100k warranty
EFS extreems are ok but fade.

The company i work for has 50+ work Utes that all live there lifes going to and from the mines and driving on haul roads we get our utes brand new we put EFS shocks and springs on them. At 260000ks re retire the cars and put the old factory springs and torsion bars back on them to sell the utes. We put the old springs onto the new utes replace the shocks with new EFS shocks and send them to work. We normally get 500000 too 600000ks out of a set of springs in utes that commonly have over a Ton in tools driving the hardest roads. Our utes normally clock around 10000 a month.

In the past 8 years my boss has tested and tried every brand out there EFS is the only thing he will put on work utes.

flyinwall wrote:which is better efs, ironman or tuff dog suspension

Does anyone know if mitsubishi triton leaf springs will fit in a mitsubishi challenger
or can someone measure the distance between the mounting points of a triton springs and the distance from the front of the spring to the diff locating pin


SO did you get under your car and measure the length of your springs so you could give a measurement to compare or are you to lazy to help others help you?

Hmmm come to think about it in my opinion I think you should go with Ironman it would make a good fit for your budget :roll:


Hi VW DAVE.
you seem to be very knowledgeable :roll: Maybe you should research & get the correct information about products before posting it!!!!!
REGARDING YOUR COMENT :-"TJM XGS shocks are good but they use really crap bushings and commonly fail".
If you were commenting on the OLD DISCONTINUED TJM XGS SHOCKS yes they failed in extreme situations but so did OME,Rancho,ect under the same situations.
If you were commenting on the NEW TJM XGS GOLDS, I would defiantly say that you need re-schooling or you have not set up your car correctly & have used a shock that is TOO SHORT so on full travel all you will ever do is rip them apart.
The you tube bit below shows some of the footage of when we were testing the NEW TJM XGS GOLD SHOCKS.We tested them for 2 YEARS in OFFROAD RACES ALL AROUND AUSTRALIA before TJM put them on the shelf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf475_Yy3F4

The New TJM XGS GOLD is a fully rebuild-able shock-absorber. It has been introduced to sit beside KONI.
It has all NEW TECHNOLOGY GERMAN VALVING.
A MUCH LARGER BORE, BASICALLY BIGGER EVERY THING.
THEY ALSO HAVE A 3 YEAR WARRANTY.

Maybe you were just amusing, or were talking about the old discontinued range. but your comments are WRONG !!!!
I can send you a TJM suspension brochure so you can have all the correct information before you start downing My Product...
Our NEW shocks are $169 each but are cheaper for forum & club members.
PIGLET!!
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:47 am

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flyinwall wrote:Thanks phippsy i need some 2" lifted leaf springs for a 1999 mitsubishi challenger and a price would be fantastic thank you



Spoke to Carrolls, they don't have a leaf spring listing for a '99 Challenger. Just list torsion bars and shocks sorry.
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:55 am

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Piglet,
I can only go off what I see with our fleet.
We have 3 Hilux utes that we got brand new from Toyota they came to us with Golds in them all 3 utes after 20000ks we had to have both front shocks/Struts replaced because of the bushings. We put it down to toyota installing them incorectly and TJM underwarranty replaced them for us. 20000ks later 2 of the 3 utes had the same problem. At that time we replaced them with a different product and now the utes all have around 180000ks without any other problems.

I can only comment on what I have seen and the records of the fleet of cars I look after. I dont just go off what suppliers tell me.
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Sorry Dave but there are too many holes in what you are saying to make me belive you!!! I will start with your comments on EFS.
Firstly we sell & fit EFS, & Tuff Dog & Dobinson.
# You mentioned that you are fitting these on your "work mines vehicles" toyota h-lux's.
# You said that basicly that the Elites were better than the Extreemes & that the Extreems faded.
# Do you know that the extreems are a heavier shock with heavier valving,bigger bores,& a much stronger shock than the Elite's.
# Do you know that they dont do any Extreems to fit toyota H-lux.
# Do you know that they dont do any strut Extreemes, & H-lux is strut front end.
# Do you know that Extremes will only fit vehicles with a 4" plus suspension lift. & that is stated in their warrenty.
# Do you know that if you put a 4" plus shock on anything less than a 4" suspension lift that you will damage the valving & seals.
# Do you know that there 2 styles of Elite for a H-lux, standard & heavy duty.

I dont think that you do... If you did you wouldnt have said that you put them on your work H-lux's.

We Kit out hundreds of H-lux's, Navaras, Cruisers, Izuzus, Rangers ect for the mines & know one has seen 1 with a 4" plus suspension lift, let alone a fleet of 100.

This is why It is hard to belive what you are saying as you havent got it right on so many topics on this thred.
someone has obviously given you the incorrect information.
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:48 am

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phippsy wrote:
flyinwall wrote:Thanks phippsy i need some 2" lifted leaf springs for a 1999 mitsubishi challenger and a price would be fantastic thank you



Spoke to Carrolls, they don't have a leaf spring listing for a '99 Challenger. Just list torsion bars and shocks sorry.


thanks for that phippsy
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Can everyone just calm the f*** down!! Jesus, 1 wrong word and it seems as if he who made the post deserves the death penalty! Instead of trying to make the OP look like a royal twat and shoot him down in flames, maybe try and correct him???

Take a chill pill

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pigletracing wrote:Sorry Dave but there are too many holes in what you are saying to make me belive you!!! I will start with your comments on EFS.
Firstly we sell & fit EFS, & Tuff Dog & Dobinson.
We sell and fit the same things Ian.
# You mentioned that you are fitting these on your "work mines vehicles" toyota h-lux's.
I said we have a fleet of utes 3 of them are hilux, 30 of them are D22, 5 are D40s, 4 are Patrol Utes, 1 Cruiser ute, 1 Dodge Ram, 1 six ton truck
# You said that basicly that the Elites were better than the Extreemes & that the Extreems faded.
The 2 coil Patrols we have had Extreems on the that we replaced with Tough Dog 41 foam because after 40000ks the patrols would rock easly after the 4 hour drive home (what I call fade from warming up)
# Do you know that the extreems are a heavier shock with heavier valving,bigger bores,& a much stronger shock than the Elite's.
Bigger dosen't always mean they are better.
# Do you know that they dont do any Extreems to fit toyota H-lux.
At what point did I say we put extreems on a hilux????
# Do you know that they dont do any strut Extreemes, & H-lux is strut front end.
Ones again can you please point out where I even suggested putting extreems in a hilux????
# Do you know that Extremes will only fit vehicles with a 4" plus suspension lift. & that is stated in their warrenty.
The only extreems I have ever come across are the ones we have now taken off the 2 coil sprung Patrols. One has 4" tough dog spring the other one is as tall but I have no idea what springs are in it as it was already lifted when the company picked it up.
# Do you know that if you put a 4" plus shock on anything less than a 4" suspension lift that you will damage the valving & seals.
NO I had no idea can you please explain exactly what a bump stop is for? I always figured the longer shock would just bottom out and help prelong the life of the bump stops.
# Do you know that there 2 styles of Elite for a H-lux, standard & heavy duty.
Yes, they also offer a HD bush by it self PN EB2348K for $105
I dont think that you do... If you did you wouldnt have said that you put them on your work H-lux's.
Ones again all I have said was the Golds from my workshops exierance have bad bush's.

We Kit out hundreds of H-lux's, Navaras, Cruisers, Izuzus, Rangers ect for the mines & know one has seen 1 with a 4" plus suspension lift, let alone a fleet of 100.
Ian you need to go back and re-read. I have never said anything about how many of what trucks we had till this responce. The number of trucks we have goes up and down almost weekly as we are currently replacing all out old ones. We are always around 50ish. The 2 patrols we have that are lifted 4" are that way for a reason. They stay on site most of the time and are our brake down trucks.
This is why It is hard to belive what you are saying as you havent got it right on so many topics on this thred.
someone has obviously given you the incorrect information.
Ian I am not going to have a pissing match with you.
I respect you to much for all that you do for 4wding to continue.
Your right I am wrong forgive me



Please every one forget what I have said as I am wrong please ignore all I have said


As for you Flyinwall,

In regards to your wonderfully worded PM you send me.
The difference between my self and your late brother is I lived through my accident on April 30th 2005. After 17 hours of surgery a few days on life support and 9 months of rehab learning how to use my right hand again. I had to re-learn how to spell. I had to re-learn grammar and punctuation. The fact that I had to relearn from scratch how to spell again 7 years ago I don't think I am doing to bad. Thanks for showing your true colors. $#!T Brown
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:37 pm

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Dave count yourself lucky that your still alive not DEAD like my little brother who had a learner driver cut in front of him at least you can still enjoy your life my brother can't and his 12 year old daughter now has no father
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:48 pm

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phippsy wrote:
flyinwall wrote:Thanks phippsy i need some 2" lifted leaf springs for a 1999 mitsubishi challenger and a price would be fantastic thank you

Spoke to Carrolls, they don't have a leaf spring listing for a '99 Challenger. Just list torsion bars and shocks sorry.
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:53 pm

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Hey Dave my challenger is LEAF SPRING REAR. not coil spring rear
So Dave why did you take the pic down????
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:12 pm

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A googgle search shows that the challanger from 1998 on had coils all around. This is why I posted that picture of a 1999 challanger list. Looking through a few books we have here and looking at part numbers. I am not 100% on this but the triton springs might be longer.
In looking for a spring length I did come across this
http://bodeos4u.com.au/challenger-leaf- ... nd-up.html
looks interesting not to sure about them though.
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:15 pm

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flyinwall wrote:Hey Dave my challenger is LEAF SPRING REAR. not coil spring rear
So Dave why did you take the pic down????

Because it was a price list for a 1999 + Challanger like you said yours is. But according to Mitsu coil rear ends cam in from late 1998 in Australia. You might have a imported challanger or a 98 sold as a 99
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:23 pm

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OK her is a copy out of a parts book I have here.
Acording to it all the cars below have the same length rear spring but all have different load rating.

Pajero Montero NA-NG L200 Triton 1983-1992, Pajero Montero NH NJ NK NL 1992-1996, Triton ME MF MG MH MJ 1993-1996, Triton MK 1996-2005, Challenger Montero Sport PA 1998 on (leaf spring rear). Rear.

SO if you go to a wrecker you should be able to find something on that list that will help you out.
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:43 pm

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Just fuck off Dave ya troll.
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Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:56 pm

Re: efs, ironman or tuff dog suspension

thanks dave and the challengers changed to coils in aug 99 or 2000 i cant remember
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Post Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:25 am

Re: efs, ironman or tuff dog suspension

91Mav wrote:Just fuck off Dave ya troll.


x2 have to agree with you .

Yes . Triton rear leafs will fit your year challenger but they are set alot harder & firmer than challenger .

I am supprised that VW DAVE couldnt tell you that . as he is the suspension expert. just ask him anything & he has done it all & knows it all.

for VW DAVE :fist:
DAIHATSU FEROZA UTE,V6,caged,lokd 35's
NOW SOLD
& then
GQ DUAL CAB TUFF UTE,caged,lokd,35's
NOW SOLD
& then
JK WRANGLER 4 DOOR TUFF TOURER,lifted,lokd, 35s
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Post Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:07 pm

Re: efs, ironman or tuff dog suspension

Ok so which one of you lot is the mistress??.

I am trying to figure out who has what up whos arse and how who found out about who had what up the other whos arse!
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