4 or 5 pin relay for spotties???? and on/off/on switch ?

Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Location: South Cast NSW

hey all ... ive just recieved my spotties today.... ive read the previous thread bout wiring them up...but they are all based on 4 pin relay... i thought i 5 pin relay would be better as it has a seprate + for each light...thats my understanding ..... is this a neater way of wiring it up?
also i have decided i want it to run off highbeam...i know legally u need to have a seprate switch as well..... but with a 4 or 5 pin relay is it possible to wire it in without a switch in the cab.... just run off higbeam switch?

just edited previous diagrams.. i know th epostions of the pins on relay are wrong but its the numbers that count?
i think i have the numbersz wrong on the relay..not sure as ive never looked at 1 before..plz correct if im wrong.
thanks

the guys at town & country rekon 5 pin

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:00 am

4 pin will be fine.

Yep you can just wire it from the highbeam without a switch, my camolux may or may not have this same setup Wink

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The numbers are imperative to the setup.

85 - positive from highbeam (or trigger switch)
86 - earth
30 - positive fused power supply
87 - to the lights themselves

Joined: 10 Dec 2002 Location: Sydney

a 5 pin relay is simply a 4pin with 2x 87 poles on the relay, This makes for neater wireing and each light is individually wired direct to the relay so when time comes to pull the lights off no cutting wires.

JEs

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:28 am

Wrong. A 5 pin relay has 87 and 87a poles. 30 and 87a are connected in the relay when no voltage is present over 85 and 86. 87a disconnects from 30 when voltage is present over 85 and 86, 30 is then connected to 87.

Joined: 11 Dec 2002 Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

and the 87 is connected to the ....... knee bone.....

The knee bone is connected to the.... thigh bone

Joined: 10 Dec 2002 Location: Sydney

thats a different type of relay again
standard 5 pin relay has got 2 x 87 posts.

Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Gold Coast

Is it legal if you have the switch for your spots under the hood?
(wired into the high beam)
Next door neighbor has just done this.
Was wondering if it is ok or not?

Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Location: South Cast NSW

sweet thanks guys

i think i will go with the 5 pin just as its neater for the wires.... just have to work out wo t numbers are for wot...i hope itts as easy as 2x87 Smile

i will have a look at them when i get up electric storee sumtime this weekend

thanks for ur help!

Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Location: South Cast NSW

sweet thanks guys

i think i will go with the 5 pin just as its neater for the wires.... just have to work out wo t numbers are for wot...i hope itts as easy as 2x87 Smile

i will have a look at them when i get up electric storee sumtime this weekend

thanks for ur help!

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia

The reason for the confusion is that "four pin"and "five pin" are not sufficiently clear descriptions for relays.

By four pin you are referring to a single pole, single throw (SPST or "normally open") relay which indeed has 85, 86, 87, and 30.

By five-pin Area54 is referring to a single pole, double throw (SPDT or "changeover") relay which is what a five pin relay SHOULD be. It has pins 30, 85, 86, 87, and 87a. It is unsuitable for use the way you want to use it because effectively if 87a is on, 87 is off, and if 87 is on, 87a is off. You'd only be able to switch between the lamps, rather than switching them on and off as a pair.

On the other hand five-pin "normally open" relays do exist which have two 87 pins. They are still SPST.

Personally I don't like having components floating around that plug into the same sockets but operate differently... but anyway.

A cool option would be something like a hella part #3076 which has a built in blade fuse holder.

Basically if you can't be assed using a four-pin relay make sure the five-pin that you get is definitely normally open - ie, has two x 87 and zero x 87a pins on it.

Hella part #3082 will do you but obviously you can buy junk that is overpriced and won't last from supercheap or wherever...

For what it's worth, I'd probably wire in a relay plus base so that when the relay dies (as they do) you can just yank it out and whack a new one in.

You may not feel this is warranted which is fair enough if you're not fussy like me Smile

Jason

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia

BRT wrote:

Is it legal if you have the switch for your spots under the hood?
(wired into the high beam)
Next door neighbor has just done this.
Was wondering if it is ok or not?

Only the laziest . on earth would do such a thing. That's shameful.

Smile

Jason

Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Gold Coast

chimpboy wrote:

BRT wrote:

Is it legal if you have the switch for your spots under the hood?
(wired into the high beam)
Next door neighbor has just done this.
Was wondering if it is ok or not?

Only the laziest ***** on earth would do such a thing. That's shameful.

Smile

Jason

I Completely agree with you. And he is!!!!! but is it legal?

Joined: 24 Aug 2003 Location: Launceston

hey chimpboy, do you know how much these relay sockets are? ive go crapload of relays in sealed box, have used automotive (red/blue/yellow) crimps but would prefer socket. do you need different crimper too or can you get new crimp jaws for automotive crimper.

Thanks
lance

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia

Bluey wrote:

hey chimpboy, do you know how much these relay sockets are? ive go crapload of relays in sealed box, have used automotive (red/blue/yellow) crimps but would prefer socket. do you need different crimper too or can you get new crimp jaws for automotive crimper.

Thanks
lance

No new tools - I am talking about something like this:

http://www.hella.com.au/cgi-bin/catalogue.pl?flcmd=preview&flmaint=211

These ones clip together so you can have a string of relays side by side.

or this:

http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SY4069

You still have to hook wires to the base in a similar fashion but when the time comes to replace the relay there's no danger of reconnecting the wires the wrong way around. They are about $5 each I think.

Jason

Joined: 11 Dec 2002 Location: Central Queensland

Go to a wreckers and look at the drivers side of the engine bay of an Xd, XE or XF Ford Falcon. They have the relay holders on them. You can virtually link as many relays together as you like. I would personally use the double 87 pin relays, as you can remove either spot seperately.

Joined: 24 Aug 2003 Location: Launceston

thanks for the ideas/info chimpboy and brc.

mite buy some relay sockets and do some wiring in new car. have box for relays that used in hilux but is so overcrowded have troble putting lid on Very Happy

Joined: 30 Dec 2002 Location: Adelaide

BRT wrote:

chimpboy wrote:

BRT wrote:

Is it legal if you have the switch for your spots under the hood?
(wired into the high beam)
Next door neighbor has just done this.
Was wondering if it is ok or not?

Only the laziest ***** on earth would do such a thing. That's shameful.

Smile

Jason

I Completely agree with you. And he is!!!!! but is it legal?

I believe the law says a switch for them must be within the cabin.

I've got a "5 pin" relay on my spotlights (dual terminals both connected to battery with the relay on). They are a good idea and a lot easier to wire- especially if you're using heavy duty cable.

Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Location: South Cast NSW

thanks guys

i want to use a 5 pin normally open realy with 2 x87...i didnt relise they can alternate the power for 87 and 87a

im also thinkin of using a On/Off/On switch
has anyone doen this b4?
on1 =highbeam
on2 =full time power

do u think this is leagal? and i think its very usfull as u can still use ur highbeam to dipp the spotties wif incomin traffic and can turn them on inderpendtly if desiered!

Joined: 24 Aug 2003 Location: Launceston

would be easy to do, two different feeds to turn on coil. one from high beams, one from +12v.

actually mite have trouble with voltage backfeeding and turning on high lamps. maybe real low brightness. diode block? could end up pita

legal: no.
sure that driving lights must go off when high beams turned off.

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia

Macca177 wrote:

thanks guys

i want to use a 5 pin normally open realy with 2 x87...i didnt relise they can alternate the power for 87 and 87a

im also thinkin of using a On/Off/On switch
has anyone doen this b4?
on1 =highbeam
on2 =full time power

do u think this is leagal? and i think its very usfull as u can still use ur highbeam to dipp the spotties wif incomin traffic and can turn them on inderpendtly if desiered!

No, not legal I don't think, but pretty easy to do if you can be bothered running the wires that are required.

You don't need diodes or anything like that; see the diagram below. The blue wire in the diagram you have to get from the high beam or maybe from the high beam indicator lamp (depending on the car).

Let me know if the diagram doesn't make sense.

Jason

Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Location: South Cast NSW

thanks all for help
chimpboy that looks exatcly right .... from wot i understand anyways Smile

i will have a go at it as soon as i get all the stuff! will try the relay connecter thing as well... let ya know how it goes Very Happy