Are you on Workcover? Or disability pension?whos watching u?

Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia

bad_religion_au wrote:

Shadow wrote:

The person working for the government has ABSOLUTELY no reason to edit his file to say payment hasnt been made.

personal vendetta's do happen in these organisations...

I've seen claims officers blow out budgets by constantly hounding one bloke just because they don't like him...

I'm talking about 60 hours worth of surveillance in the space of 3 weeks.

Cost of surv: $4500-4800 .... Was the bloke ligit? Yes...
Cost of keeping him on the cover: $800 p/w
Farkwitt claims officer: No longer working for the company about 1/2 a year later.

Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Location: Around Hornsby

The best way to beat centerlink is to get a job!!!!

I was off work cause of an injury and didn't have any sick leave left. walked in looked around at all the di$ks in there and turned around called my dr and asked for a return to work certificate stuff being under their control.

As for PIs we use them to catch out the cheats, if they have an injury they got nothing to worry about if they are cheating the system then everyone needs to get on their back and tell em its not right cause it makes it hard for everyone else.

Depression is the biggest way to increase a payout. for gods sake if your stuck on your ar3e doing nothing and complaining about how crap the world is, INSTEAD of getting back out there and working or doing something then of course your not going to want to do anything.

To whoever started this post your just fueling the fire, instead of telling them how to cheat the system how about you do EVERYONE a favor and tell em to harden the f up and get back to work, they will feel better in the long run.

and people wonder why public liability insurance and workers comp premiums are getting out of hand.

tell em to harden up and walk it off not bludging off the system

Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Location: Wollongong

My fiance had a bloke come in for an assessment yesterday - 64 years old broke down in tears because his wife had been retrenched, he couldn't get work because of his age and couldn't face the prospect of going on the pension and not earning his crust. This bloke is the polar opposite of 90% of the scum that she sees who are usually drug/alcohol dependent and often smacked up or drunk when they drag their arse in for the assessment Mad

Kind of OT but that's the spectrum of clients so I suppose you have to take cynicism towards genuineness with a grain of salt.

Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Location: capalaba qld

In this day and age you really need to have your own accident and sickness insurance,all our workers have their own additional insurance.
I know there is a lot of cheating bludgers out there who claim compo and sickness benefits and they deserve to be caught.

Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Location: Logan - Slacks Creek

I haven't read through this thread but they took footage of me. Stopped payments and asked questions later.

I went in with the Union and they showed the video footage. It was left on in the background while we were discussing it. After I go inside out of camera shot they still film the mrs. I had a few words to say about this.
At the same time someone tried to break into my house and I would bet my house on it that it was the investigator.

They do a drivebye to check on everyone. If they think that something looks suspicious they send a camera man. They filmed us at night having a BBQ with family also, I don't know what work they thought I would do at night.

Basically work cover doesn't know what the investigator does once they hire him to spy on you.

They did resume payments after the MRI showed up the damage but if family didn't help me out I would have lost my house because I had no money coming in for a couple of months.

I am still having problems because of the injury 8 or 9 years later.

Shane

Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Location: Sydney

None of the investigators I know would try and break into a house. It is against the law and they would loose their license for it too.

So they stopped your payments Shane, there must have been compelling evidence on the video footage, but you countered that by showing medical evidence. Sounds like the system works?

FYI - Work Cover would have received a detailed report on what the investigator did, including all unedited footage.

Lolergram, I have seen tens of thousands spent on surveillance for relatively small claims too - 24x7 type stuff for months at a time.
The investigators wouldn't be privy to it, but the claimants in these cases tend to be serial offenders and in the long run warrant the time and effort spent...

Joined: 28 Nov 2002 Location: Melbourne

4WD Stuff wrote:

At the same time someone tried to break into my house and I would bet my house on it that it was the investigator.

Based on what?

Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Location: Logan - Slacks Creek

Ben wrote:

4WD Stuff wrote:

At the same time someone tried to break into my house and I would bet my house on it that it was the investigator.

Based on what?

He was filiming at the same time. I had a window beside the back door that was too small to climb through but you could put your arm through to open the back door. I did have the deadlock locked so I don't think he got in. We had stuff on the window sill that had been knocked onto the floor. Nothing was stollen.

Once they farm out the work, work cover wouldn't know what went on.

We have never been broken into before this time or after this time.

Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Location: Sydney

If you were under surveillance, cameras would have been rolling and there would have been shots of everyone who was coming or going. Work Cover would have all the unedited tapes.

Got birds or cats etc?
I don't see an investigator breaking into a house. He'd face arrest and loose his livelihood (the industry is pretty tight, once you have a bad name that's it) all for nothing to gain - they get paid the same no matter what they film...

Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Location: Logan - Slacks Creek

As soon as they were notified that I was booked in for an operation on my knee, this is when they stopped all payments including the operation etc. I really think this was their motivation. This and I transferred from public to private because of all the delays I was getting.

The evidence they had was me in a leg brace limping around with a whipper snipper. The evidence also showed my gingerly pulling off the leg brace.

The reason why they started filming in the first place was because 10 years before I moved in someone built a pergola at the front and it didn't have a roof. The person who did the initial investigating thought that it was a work in progress. They must have made this decision from the road because you can tell when something is 10 years old.

I can understand mistakes but they should at least ask me before stopping payments that I was counting on. The lady that was doing my case was really nasty. I reckon some man ditched her bad and she was taking it out on me.

Shane

Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Location: Logan - Slacks Creek

Gonzo wrote:

If you were under surveillance, cameras would have been rolling and there would have been shots of everyone who was coming or going. Work Cover would have all the unedited tapes.

Got birds or cats etc?
I don't see an investigator breaking into a house. He'd face arrest and loose his livelihood (the industry is pretty tight, once you have a bad name that's it) all for nothing to gain - they get paid the same no matter what they film...

The mrs was washing windows and the camera was zoomed up to her and not a wide shot. The zoomed up footage didn't include the front door that I had gone through 10 minutes earlier.

I am sure most investigators would do the right thing. The window was too high for it to be a dog. The cat would have to be game to get past the mini foxies.

We were only out for 10 mintues, I wonder if we startled him.

Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia

4WD Stuff wrote:

Gonzo wrote:

If you were under surveillance, cameras would have been rolling and there would have been shots of everyone who was coming or going. Work Cover would have all the unedited tapes.

Got birds or cats etc?
I don't see an investigator breaking into a house. He'd face arrest and loose his livelihood (the industry is pretty tight, once you have a bad name that's it) all for nothing to gain - they get paid the same no matter what they film...

The mrs was washing windows and the camera was zoomed up to her and not a wide shot. The zoomed up footage didn't include the front door that I had gone through 10 minutes earlier.

I am sure most investigators would do the right thing. The window was too high for it to be a dog. The cat would have to be game to get past the mini foxies.

We were only out for 10 mintues, I wonder if we startled him.

Interesting...

Up to about 5-8 years ago was still the cowboy period for investigators. The old 'throw the coins out the front of your car so you bend down and pick them up' trick was pretty popular, I am sure you would have heard of these.

Strange for him to be filming your wife?? Unless he couldn't tell who it was at the window due to glare? Strange... It is possible they showed the original unedited tape. These days it is very naughty to film anyone other than the bloke under the scope. In some states, anyone other than the bloke being scoped must be 'fogged out'.

A lot of former boys in blue that went into the PI business used to do 'break ins', but for workcover??? Thats a big risk for bugger all return on risk and what could they find to contradict the claim? There were a lot of scumbags in the industry back then too, ... The break in, thats very strange... I hope this bloke is no longer in the industry if it was him...

There still is a lot of scumbag operators out there, but the industry is getting its balls squeezed pretty hard these days, so the days of dodgies are almost gone..

The scummers on longterm 'drip system' payments already know the game PI's play, it becomes 'their job' to avoid getting caught out.

I wish I could elaborate more...

Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Location: Logan - Slacks Creek

Who knows what kind of pervert this guy was. People don't need to get paid to do this kind of stuff.

As for filming the Mrs, I am sure they intended to stop the footage, they soon stopped it once I brought it to their attention.

Shane

Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia

4WD Stuff wrote:

As soon as they were notified that I was booked in for an operation on my knee, this is when they stopped all payments including the operation etc. I really think this was their motivation. This and I transferred from public to private because of all the delays I was getting.

The evidence they had was me in a leg brace limping around with a whipper snipper. The evidence also showed my gingerly pulling off the leg brace.

The reason why they started filming in the first place was because 10 years before I moved in someone built a pergola at the front and it didn't have a roof. The person who did the initial investigating thought that it was a work in progress. They must have made this decision from the road because you can tell when something is 10 years old.

I can understand mistakes but they should at least ask me before stopping payments that I was counting on. The lady that was doing my case was really nasty. I reckon some man ditched her bad and she was taking it out on me.

Shane

You can report these situations to the workcover ombudsman. But it costs time...And it is very hard when this is your income... That is the wrong process, you should be informed of in writing. Nice knowing that in hindsight, but I am not sure if this was the process back nearly 10 years ago? Personal vendettas again... Paper pushers on power trips...

Yeah thats true about the pergola... Usually the claims officers do a bit of a drive past or get a friend to do it for them... Nuffies wouldn't know what stale wood looks like..

Ripping of the leg brace would have been what signaled 'WE GOT HIM', this is what I mean by good days/bad days or moments of desperation and anger.

Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Location: Logan - Slacks Creek

I didn't do anything but limp inside when I took the leg brace off. When in the meeting they were pressuring me about what I did the day before. The mrs did the mowing the day before and they suspected I did it.

I worked as a Plasterer at the time, there was no way I could have gone up and down ladders.

Besides me complaining about the investigator at the time I knew I couldn't prove it so I just dropped it.

At least they didn't drag me through the courts as they do with most others.

I use to bag out some of the people they film but I now know that you can do certain things with injuries once but just can't repeatedly do stuff. There are heaps of scammers but I am much slower to judge these days.

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:34 pm

4WD Stuff wrote:

They did resume payments after the MRI showed up the damage but if family didn't help me out I would have lost my house because I had no money coming in for a couple of months.

Gonzo wrote:

Sounds like the system works?

Erm....

Workcover Website 'About Us' wrote:

Its primary objective is to work in partnership with the NSW community to achieve safe workplaces, effective return to work and security for injured workers.

Sounds like they're trying to provide a heap of security there hey... but no, the system works!

Joined: 24 Dec 2002 Location: South Australia

PeowPeow wrote:

The best way to beat centerlink is to get a job!!!!
Depression is the biggest way to increase a payout. for gods sake if your stuck on your ar3e doing nothing and complaining about how crap the world is, INSTEAD of getting back out there and working or doing something then of course your not going to want to do anything.

tell em to harden the f up

you sir have no f#cking clue about Clinical depression... if only it was that easy to "harden the f up"...

i tried that approach for 10 years before it almost killed me. thank god the medical profession has a bit more of a clue about it than this sort of ignorance.

Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Location: Around Hornsby

bad_religion_au wrote:

PeowPeow wrote:

The best way to beat centerlink is to get a job!!!!
Depression is the biggest way to increase a payout. for gods sake if your stuck on your ar3e doing nothing and complaining about how crap the world is, INSTEAD of getting back out there and working or doing something then of course your not going to want to do anything.

tell em to harden the f up

you sir have no f#cking clue about Clinical depression... if only it was that easy to "harden the f up"...

i tried that approach for 10 years before it almost killed me. thank god the medical profession has a bit more of a clue about it than this sort of ignorance.

Yeah thats the great thing about depression, no one really knows whats going on, they just know the symptoms. Its interesting that Post Concussion Syndrome has very simular symptoms to ADD and it gets miss diagnosed all the time.

I'm talking about depression assioated with an injury and getting back out there and trying to live a normal life. The old saying use it or loose it and most of the time when you got someone to claim from they prefer to loose it.

I don't know you story and its something that i'm sure you don't want to talk about to a complete stranger, but I still stand by what i say in regards to an injury.

I'm in a high risk group for depression as both my parents have been through breakdowns being teachers. They didn't go on meds, I don't think they even talked it through with a dr but they got through it. but at the end of the day its up to the paitent to do something about it, no one is going to do it for you.

Everyone should just keep smiling and just remember that there are people out there that are way worse off than anyone in this place.

Joined: 24 Dec 2002 Location: South Australia

PeowPeow wrote:

I don't know you story and its something that i'm sure you don't want to talk about to a complete stranger, but I still stand by what i say in regards to an injury.

Everyone should just keep smiling and just remember that there are people out there that are way worse off than anyone in this place.

I have shared my story on here about 6 months ago. i have no problem telling people about it. sharing my story saw 2 other people seek help, and tell me it was in part because of what i said, so it was worth it.

Joined: 08 May 2005 Location: www.waynecounty.com

bad_religion_au wrote:

Shadow wrote:

The person working for the government has ABSOLUTELY no reason to edit his file to say payment hasnt been made.

personal vendetta's do happen in these organisations...

I know of somebody who files now need special authorisation to open
Why, because a person working at a government agency accessed their files and released details to their own family and friends.

Joined: 06 Apr 2007 Location: Cambridge Park

Gonzo wrote:

So they stopped your payments Shane, there must have been compelling evidence on the video footage, but you countered that by showing medical evidence. Sounds like the system works?

4WD Stuff wrote:

They did resume payments after the MRI showed up the damage but if family didn't help me out I would have lost my house because I had no money coming in for a couple of months.

I am still having problems because of the injury 8 or 9 years later.

Shane

If the system worked, He wouldn't have had to rely on help to save his house...

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Sure there are many rorters of the system, but putting genuine cases at risk in unacceptable.

Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Location: Logan - Slacks Creek

That's what I said straight up. What about innocent till proven guilty? Not with Workcover, it is guilty till proven innocent.