Thank You, from The Police force

Joined: 24 Dec 2002 Location: South Australia

love_mud wrote:

What utter bullshit .. How do they know what they are "in for" How do you describe in words or on the screen all the emotions they will feel, what the smell of fresh blood is like, what the screams of an anguished mother over the death of a loved one will be like when you walk up to the door to tell em .. that their pride and joy was being a little wanker and got himself killed doing something ... ( Ambo's etc do not have to do that )

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Ambo's deal with that crap. would you be happy for them to refuse to turn out to deal with one of your kids?

Firies deal with similar, would you be happy if they said "oh i cut a body out of a car today, and i don't like your attitude, so I'll let your house burn down".

Show me ONE cop anywhere in the country that would do similar ... totally stupid example to me.

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Drs and Nurses deal with that sort of thing too... is that an excuse for when they turn you into an invalid due to a "mistake"?

They are human .. humans are fallible ..

rigggghhhhhhhtttttttt.

if you don't (or didn't) know that being a police officer will mean turning out to jobs with dead bodies, telling relatives that their kid has died etc then you have no place reproducing, let alone carrying a sidearm.

how is my example stupid? your telling us (or me) not to whinge because a copper refused to do his job properly, just because he may have seen some disturbing crap. my example simply suggests what it would be like if other professions followed suit and refused to do what their job entails, based on the fact they've been in traumatic experiences...

Sure humans are fallable, but it doesn't stop dr's getting sued for malpractice. or people losing their jobs over stupid mistakes...

the road laws state that your windows are legal if they work (i.e. electric or manual, as long as they go up and down).

Lets say medical proceedure prevents you from doing an MRI on someone with a metal plate in their head.

now lets select someone from each profession. the cop decides to defect a car for having WORKING POWER WINDOWS. their accountability? nothing. they are even protected by fellow officers.

the Dr decides to wheel in someone into the MRI machine with the steel plate. person gets injured due to it. Dr is sued, and members of his profession decide on whether he should be allowed to keep practicing medicine.

see a glaring difference in the way "human fallibility" is handled??

Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Location: townsville

interesting thread this one.
there seems to be no middle ground, you hate or you love.

the people that love obviously havn't had the sort expirience that the haters have had.

i've had both good cops and bad cops. But it's traffic cops handing out fines for deffects that shit me. the main reason is i'm a mechanic, yet i'm not alowed to put a defect notice on a car or put a car off the road, yet i'm fully trained in the field and know what i'm looking at.

yet some randon cop with little training in the field can fine and defect cars all he likes. and from personal expirience, they don't do a very good job of it.

Also from personal expirience it seems to have alot to do with the car you drive. drive around in a freshly painted escort and it's was hard to even drive home from work with out being pulled over for breath testing, random drug searches and the rest.

yet sell that car and buy a falcon with close to 3 time the power and capable of almost twice the top speed, all of a sudden you don't get pulled over for about 2 years, yet your driving style hadn't changed, you are still the same person......

anyone that claims other wise must be living in a cave

Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Location: western shitney

brad-chevlux wrote:

anyone that claims other wise must be living in a cave

that response could be used for many outers members Laughing

Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Location: townsville

j-top paj wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

anyone that claims other wise must be living in a cave

that response could be used for many outers members Laughing

i'm not a caveman, i'm a wooky. and have the hairy back to prove it Laughing

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia

I'd have thought it was pretty simple... police officers are public servants, on whom we bestow the power to cause all sorts of difficulties in our own lives or the lives of our fellow citizens. That's a fact.

Given that, we expect that very high standards of conduct should apply to them. Generally speaking, when a police officer fails to meet those standards there is virtually nothing the affected individual can do about it. That makes people frustrated and angry.

It happens less with serious crimes because we have criminal trials. Prosecutors actually have to prove stuff instead of just making an accusation and leaving it at that. But for traffic offences, the basic protections originally built into our justice system have essentially been set aside in favour of increased police power. Police make an accusation, conviction basically follows without any further process.

Oh well, I guess we figure an undeserved fine, or a shameful display of arrogance and rudeness from a farkheaded cop every now and again is a small price to pay for a system that isn't bogged down with every single ticket getting disputed and dragged through the courts.

Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Location: Perth, WA

bad_religion_au wrote:

love_mud wrote:

whinge whinge whinge ..
deal with crap like this and then you have something to whinge about.

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choose the job, you know what your in for.

What utter bullshit .. How do they know what they are "in for" How do you describe in words or on the screen all the emotions they will feel, what the smell of fresh blood is like, what the screams of an anguished mother over the death of a loved one will be like when you walk up to the door to tell em .. that their pride and joy was being a little wanker and got himself killed doing something ... ( Ambo's etc do not have to do that )

hahaha u fail mate course they know what they are getting themselves into, what do u think is involved in their training

Joined: 23 Jun 2004

We can tell them about it when they are in training.

We can start to show them when they do station duty.

But they won't really know what its like until reality comes and smacks them in the face and it is only then that they will find out how they react.

In that respect they are a lot like some of the people on this forum.

Joined: 12 Dec 2002 Location: Wangaratta

bakerboy wrote:

bad_religion_au wrote:

love_mud wrote:

whinge whinge whinge ..
deal with crap like this and then you have something to whinge about.

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choose the job, you know what your in for.

What utter bullshit .. How do they know what they are "in for" How do you describe in words or on the screen all the emotions they will feel, what the smell of fresh blood is like, what the screams of an anguished mother over the death of a loved one will be like when you walk up to the door to tell em .. that their pride and joy was being a little wanker and got himself killed doing something ... ( Ambo's etc do not have to do that )

hahaha u fail mate course they know what they are getting themselves into, what do u think is involved in their training

How do you train someone .. how do you train someone to deal with raw human emotion .. How do you train them to console the incosoilable..

If you could train a normal thinking feeling human being to not be affected by that .. they would not be a normal thinking feeliing human being anymore.

Prepare someone to not be affected by seeing a child beaten black and blue, or a wife, or a multilated animal ... etc etc or some drug dealing scumbag .. you can train em all you like to cope .. does not mean it will not have a lasting affect them

Joined: 12 Dec 2002 Location: Wangaratta

brad-chevlux wrote:

interesting thread this one.
there seems to be no middle ground, you hate or you love.

the people that love obviously havn't had the sort expirience that the haters have had.

i've had both good cops and bad cops. But it's traffic cops handing out fines for deffects that shit me. the main reason is i'm a mechanic, yet i'm not alowed to put a defect notice on a car or put a car off the road, yet i'm fully trained in the field and know what i'm looking at.

yet some randon cop with little training in the field can fine and defect cars all he likes. and from personal expirience, they don't do a very good job of it.

Also from personal expirience it seems to have alot to do with the car you drive. drive around in a freshly painted escort and it's was hard to even drive home from work with out being pulled over for breath testing, random drug searches and the rest.

yet sell that car and buy a falcon with close to 3 time the power and capable of almost twice the top speed, all of a sudden you don't get pulled over for about 2 years, yet your driving style hadn't changed, you are still the same person......

anyone that claims other wise must be living in a cave

I have had my run ins with the law both deserved and undeserved.
I litterly have the scars to prove the undeserved (punched in the face by a little upstart cop that left me with two stiches on the side of my nose where his overgrown cocaine thumbnail cut me, right in front of a station security camera that apparently "was out of order" at the time of the incident, charged with being drunk in a public place, resisting arrest and assulting an officer .. none of which I did (one beer in a bloke who did drink regularly and weighed 85Kg barely touched the side) .. but I fit the description of someone who had just done a smash and grab in the area). None of the charges stuck and I walked out of the courthouse.

I used to drive a HZ holden with big fat tyres etc .. I averaged being pulled up for a "licence check" 3 times most nights, In my girlfriends staock standard Zuk .. I litterly went sideways through a round about in front of a cop car .. didnt even rate a second look .. still with P plates displayed.
You want police atention .. drive a black HX panelvan with a V8 in it .. (even if it is a work vehicle with large orange work signs painted on it)

But I also know several cops ... they have their "targets" the ones the love to hate .. usually due to experiance.
I was talking last night about a bloke who was arrested for beastiality .. prepare someone for that ..
I also know the crap they put up with from smart arse's who think they know a cops job better than the cop does.
Some cops deserve to be treated with utter contempt ... but for the most part I feel they do a very good job under very poor conditions.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:24 am

love_mud wrote:

How do you train someone .. how do you train someone to deal with raw human emotion .. How do you train them to console the incosoilable..
If you could train a normal thinking feeling human being to not be affected by that .. they would not be a normal thinking feeliing human being anymore.

There is no amount of training that can prepare you for the 'real' day to day life of work.
Especially in a job with such diverse responsibilities as a police officer.
You'd have to be a security officer, a relationship counsellor, a grief counsellor, a mechanic (to find defects on cars), a walking road-rule encyclopedia etc etc etc.
If you look at some young probationary officers these days, you have to wonder how they'd cope in stressful situations.
I guess they learn on the job.
No wonder cops burn out by the time they reach middle age and get shitty dealing with dickheads all day.
Like any other job, some are good, some are bad; but they're all just doing their job.

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia

Yes, but what's important to note is that no matter how much they are just "doing their job", their job carries such a high risk of corruption or abuse that they must always be held to the absolute highest standards of conduct. The fact that the job is tough is simply never a good enough excuse for bad conduct.

Joined: 12 Dec 2002 Location: Wangaratta

chimpboy wrote:

Yes, but what's important to note is that no matter how much they are just "doing their job", their job carries such a high risk of corruption or abuse that they must always be held to the absolute highest standards of conduct. The fact that the job is tough is simply never a good enough excuse for bad conduct.

I agree totally with this .. but I also think that for the most part, most of them do a very good job. The power tripping oxygen thieves should be thrown off the force.

Joined: 24 Dec 2002 Location: South Australia

dudley wrote:

No wonder cops burn out by the time they reach middle age and get shitty dealing with dickheads all day.
Like any other job, some are good, some are bad; but they're all just doing their job.

my experience is that it's the younger ones that abuse their powers. the older ones i've encountered i've had no problems with.

in few other jobs do you have the power to make or break someone's life. in few other jobs are you held pretty much unaccountable for breaking the law. so suggest that the bad should be tollerated "like in any other job" is ludacris. an arsehole plumber you can fire. an arsehole copper you don't even get to choose to use lube.

love_mud wrote:

chimpboy wrote:

Yes, but what's important to note is that no matter how much they are just "doing their job", their job carries such a high risk of corruption or abuse that they must always be held to the absolute highest standards of conduct. The fact that the job is tough is simply never a good enough excuse for bad conduct.

I agree totally with this .. but I also think that for the most part, most of them do a very good job. The power tripping oxygen thieves should be thrown off the force.

hang on hang on you called us a bunch of whingers for saying pretty much that... we were complaining about the power tripping corrupt oxygen thieves that aren't doing their job, and you defended them with the sob story about picking bodyparts up off the footpath...

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia

love_mud wrote:

chimpboy wrote:

Yes, but what's important to note is that no matter how much they are just "doing their job", their job carries such a high risk of corruption or abuse that they must always be held to the absolute highest standards of conduct. The fact that the job is tough is simply never a good enough excuse for bad conduct.

I agree totally with this .. but I also think that for the most part, most of them do a very good job.

Absolutely. I just happen to think that it is one case where even the best members need to feel responsible for the bad apples among them, because in the real world the ONLY people who can really stop police corruption from taking root are other police.

Usually it is unfair to blame the good apples for the bad apples but imho this is just a burden police officers have to shoulder. And when it happens they should blame their bad colleagues, not the members of the public who are doing the complaining.

Joined: 12 Dec 2002 Location: Wangaratta

bad_religion_au wrote:

dudley wrote:

No wonder cops burn out by the time they reach middle age and get shitty dealing with dickheads all day.
Like any other job, some are good, some are bad; but they're all just doing their job.

my experience is that it's the younger ones that abuse their powers. the older ones i've encountered i've had no problems with.

in few other jobs do you have the power to make or break someone's life. in few other jobs are you held pretty much unaccountable for breaking the law. so suggest that the bad should be tollerated "like in any other job" is ludacris. an arsehole plumber you can fire. an arsehole copper you don't even get to choose to use lube.

love_mud wrote:

chimpboy wrote:

Yes, but what's important to note is that no matter how much they are just "doing their job", their job carries such a high risk of corruption or abuse that they must always be held to the absolute highest standards of conduct. The fact that the job is tough is simply never a good enough excuse for bad conduct.

I agree totally with this .. but I also think that for the most part, most of them do a very good job. The power tripping oxygen thieves should be thrown off the force.

hang on hang on you called us a bunch of whingers for saying pretty much that... we were complaining about the power tripping corrupt oxygen thieves that aren't doing their job, and you defended them with the sob story about picking bodyparts up off the footpath...

EVERYONE HAS BAD DAYS it seems from most of your posts you never have good ones . I was simply following your general negative vibe toward all positions of authority and assumed you were targetting the entire police force.

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Location: Check your six.

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Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Location: Gordonvale Queensland

There is good and bad in all jobs, unfortunately for the coppers (or pretty much anyone that wears a uniform) the thousands of good hard working persons are tarnished with the same brush as one person who "allegedly" wrongs someone.

I say "allegedly" because nowadays it seems that so many people just don't have the guts to admit they have done something wrong. All you have to do is pay a solicitor to make up an excuse for you, "it’s not Johnny’s fault he was on crack and shot someone whilst doing an armed hold up at the quickly mart, he only got 3 weetbix for breakfast instead of 4!!" (Comment dramatized for internet viewing)

What is easy though, is to sit back say the police are corrupt, there is no way to get out of a ticket, the police never turn up when you need them, I'm a mechanic so I should be able to write defect tickets etc. when you have no idea on how the legal system works, or knowledge of law. (The state law that the politicians made, voted in by the majority of voters...)

Yes, there probably are a few corrupt coppers, but in 18 years I have never seen it, apart from the hierarchy who cook the books to give politicians figures that make it look like crime is on the decrease, say that there is enough staff (when it is obvious there is not), or bring in crap computer systems that bog down operational police in statistic gathering. Why do they do that? Because at the top end level, guess who says yay and nay to the big wigs getting promoted.... Politicians.

As for the mechanic that wants to write defect tickets, join up and hey, you can go for it. Being a mechanic does not mean you know what is and what isn't roadworthy and give you the right to order a car off the road. Imagine this: "you can't drive your car unless you spend XXX dollars on it to get it fixed...." I have taken complaints from people who have had this said to them, and been told they are not allowed to take their car from the garage!!

No one likes getting a ticket. I got one a while back from a speed camera, 11klms over the limit in an 80 zone. I laugh about it, as I was on my way to a presentation at work (in my own time, unpaid, that I had to attend) to get my good conduct medal!!

As for coppers being able to get away with anything, what bollocks! The amount of frivolous and vexatious complaints that get made is unbelievable. I recall an 18 year old making a complaint he had been flogged and had his wallet stolen in the watchhouse. He was REALLY busted up, but after some investigation, it was revealed that he had been brought in after a fight, (that he lost) head/face butted the Perspex screen in the holding cell (on camera) was taken to the Hospital by the ambo's (who made note of how obnoxious he was) and had left his wallet etc at the hospital. 2 and a half hours of stuffing around because a pimply faced 18 year old cant handle his piss. No skin off my nose, but while doing that, someone that deserves police to attend has to wait.

The initial post was about the crap that coppers get asked to do, requested to attend, when it is a situation where the caller is just too stupid, ignorant, or lazy to sort themselves. I work in a comms room, and have taken jobs almost identical to some listed. Fact is, if these people that call on 000 about the cat in the tree, ring about their child not doing as they are told or the new baby next door crying at night (yes, had two of those calls in the past week) then there would be more time to organize staff to attend the incidents that really do need police attention.

You can call me copper bastard, pig, white captain cook c**t, ACAC (all cops are c**ts) etc, I dont care, I have thick skin. Spit on me, swing at me, punch me or one of my colleagues, and dont cry when you end up in the cells with a face full of cap spray.

there is more to being a cop than writing tickets. If you want to find out, just go to your local recruiting office to find out.

Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Location: bris

flyology wrote:

There is good and bad in all jobs, unfortunately for the coppers (or pretty much anyone that wears a uniform) the thousands of good hard working persons are tarnished with the same brush as one person who "allegedly" wrongs someone.

I say "allegedly" because nowadays it seems that so many people just don't have the guts to admit they have done something wrong. All you have to do is pay a solicitor to make up an excuse for you, "it’s not Johnny’s fault he was on crack and shot someone whilst doing an armed hold up at the quickly mart, he only got 3 weetbix for breakfast instead of 4!!" (Comment dramatized for internet viewing)

What is easy though, is to sit back say the police are corrupt, there is no way to get out of a ticket, the police never turn up when you need them, I'm a mechanic so I should be able to write defect tickets etc. when you have no idea on how the legal system works, or knowledge of law. (The state law that the politicians made, voted in by the majority of voters...)

Yes, there probably are a few corrupt coppers, but in 18 years I have never seen it, apart from the hierarchy who cook the books to give politicians figures that make it look like crime is on the decrease, say that there is enough staff (when it is obvious there is not), or bring in crap computer systems that bog down operational police in statistic gathering. Why do they do that? Because at the top end level, guess who says yay and nay to the big wigs getting promoted.... Politicians.

As for the mechanic that wants to write defect tickets, join up and hey, you can go for it. Being a mechanic does not mean you know what is and what isn't roadworthy and give you the right to order a car off the road. Imagine this: "you can't drive your car unless you spend XXX dollars on it to get it fixed...." I have taken complaints from people who have had this said to them, and been told they are not allowed to take their car from the garage!!

No one likes getting a ticket. I got one a while back from a speed camera, 11klms over the limit in an 80 zone. I laugh about it, as I was on my way to a presentation at work (in my own time, unpaid, that I had to attend) to get my good conduct medal!!

As for coppers being able to get away with anything, what bollocks! The amount of frivolous and vexatious complaints that get made is unbelievable. I recall an 18 year old making a complaint he had been flogged and had his wallet stolen in the watchhouse. He was REALLY busted up, but after some investigation, it was revealed that he had been brought in after a fight, (that he lost) head/face butted the Perspex screen in the holding cell (on camera) was taken to the Hospital by the ambo's (who made note of how obnoxious he was) and had left his wallet etc at the hospital. 2 and a half hours of stuffing around because a pimply faced 18 year old cant handle his piss. No skin off my nose, but while doing that, someone that deserves police to attend has to wait.

The initial post was about the crap that coppers get asked to do, requested to attend, when it is a situation where the caller is just too stupid, ignorant, or lazy to sort themselves. I work in a comms room, and have taken jobs almost identical to some listed. Fact is, if these people that call on 000 about the cat in the tree, ring about their child not doing as they are told or the new baby next door crying at night (yes, had two of those calls in the past week) then there would be more time to organize staff to attend the incidents that really do need police attention.

You can call me copper bastard, pig, white captain cook c**t, ACAC (all cops are c**ts) etc, I dont care, I have thick skin. Spit on me, swing at me, punch me or one of my colleagues, and dont cry when you end up in the cells with a face full of cap spray.

there is more to being a cop than writing tickets. If you want to find out, just go to your local recruiting office to find out.

First reasonable post I have seen, thankyou flyology for your interesting contribution.

Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Location: melbourne

"CANADA" wrote:

j-top paj wrote:

"CANADA" wrote:

j-top paj wrote:

whats the story with the HP leaving their high beams on after pulling someone over? the ones on the roof AND the ones on the front bar.

or are they allowed to dazzle oncoming motorists while they are speaking to the driver they pulled over?

had one wanker do it recently and when i told him that he was blinding everyone up the road coming towards him and he should turn them off, he replies with a smartarse answer "make me" Rolling Eyes

For the same reason you have your hazard lights on when you pull up on the side of the road, to warn oncoming motorists you are there...

then wouldnt the smart thing to do, be leave the disco lights on instead of blinding the fawk out of everyone coming towards them?
i mean do they really need 4 spottys AND the standard high beams on all at once?

Well there is really nothing illegal about leaving them on... Same goes for not shutting off your high beams for oncoming traffic, RN can go into more detail about that one tho...

Also one would assume better visibility in the car they have pulled over, for their safety, able to see someone fleeing out of car easier... ect ect... But Ask Bruce, im sure he can correct me on it.

unless they have changed the rules drasticly since i got my licence, then you are WRONG!
"Well there is really nothing illegal about leaving them on... Same goes for not shutting off your high beams for oncoming traffic" the rule was written something like.....you must dip your lights(off hi-beam) if an oncomming car is within 200m. and.... you are not allowed (technically/by law) to use high beam in a built up area....a built up area is classed as an area with street lighting! sooooo if there is street lights, dont use high beam, or if the car is subject to oncomming traffic within 200m, turn off high beam!

Joined: 20 Oct 2002 Location: Greenbank

-Scott- wrote:

RoadNazi wrote:

Now is that an acceptable response or is someone going to see evil in that.

Sounds far too reasonable to have come from a police officer - there must be something hidden somewhere! The Finger

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