Chopper Reid Aussie Legend or Scum Bag Crim?

Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Location: Melbourne

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Emo wrote:

I don't understand the Ned Kelly legend thing.

If you spend any time looking at what Kelly did, he and his gang, ambushed and executed two Police Officers. All the so called stories about Ned turning bad because of corrupt Police were from his side only and are not historical fact. Again, if you read the real historical facts, Kelly wasn't anywhere near as hard done by as people think. He was a thug with a chip on his shoulder. He murdered members of his own gang that he thought were informing on him and he murdered two Police Officers in cold blood.

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Visit the memorial at Stringybark Creek and it puts it in perspective.

Its very hard to judge, while we are sitting here in 2008.
Yes, Kelly was a murderer ( fact ). He was influenced by Harry Power, while he was a young bloke, so the Traps ( Cops ) had his number from an early age ( he got busted with stolen horses - they wernt his. He said he didnt know they were stolen. He was helping a friend - Harry Power ).
We have to remember that the Traps in those days didnt have to answer much to their superiors, so they basicly made their own rules (-- they were in the bush -- no witnesses, so they could just about do anything )

We can sit here, 128 years later and judge what he did ( we wernt there though ), but what puzzles me is ( Kelly was hanged in Nov 1880 ) that in that year a petition was signed by nearly 30,000 people ( in 1880 Shocked

) to try and stop his hanging ???? The petition was signed by ordinary people "of the day " ????? !!!!!!!! -- people who were up to date with what " actually " happened !!
What did " actually " happen ????
Could he of been as bad as the history books say ?????? or has time changed the story ?? ---

( No offence to any Police officers reading this ) But -- we all know that it has been uncovered that ( in modern day ) evidence has been tampered with, people have been framed, etc, etc, etc. ! ( proven )
Could it of been the same in Kelly`s day ??? ( We will never know - we were not there )

Keep this thread going -- I "LOVE" North East Victorian History armsup

Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Location: hunter nsw

i think it was choppers first book he said i dont wont people to think im a saint for killing and robbing murderers gangsters and drug dealers i only done it because they were not likely to go to the police and dob me in

Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Location: Perth, WA

ssfabricator wrote:

i think it was choppers first book he said i dont wont people to think im a saint for killing and robbing murderers gangsters and drug dealers i only done it because they were not likely to go to the police and dob me in

Wasn't Chopper hiding out in Tasmania at one stage because a 'contract' was supposedly put out on him by a Melbourne gangland figure.

I heard a rumour he was staying at the house of an 'OL' member. He couldn't put up with the whining any longer, so he thought he move back to the mainland and take his chances with the gangsters.
Very Happy

Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Location: Townsville

Lil'Loki wrote:

ssfabricator wrote:

i think it was choppers first book he said i dont wont people to think im a saint for killing and robbing murderers gangsters and drug dealers i only done it because they were not likely to go to the police and dob me in

Wasn't Chopper hiding out in Tasmania at one stage because a 'contract' was supposedly put out on him by a Melbourne gangland figure.

I heard a rumour he was staying at the house of an 'OL' member. He couldn't put up with the whining any longer, so he thought he move back to the mainland and take his chances with the gangsters.
Very Happy

Before he left he threw a Pintara on a zook, and pushed a toyota into a tree on a gravel road.......

Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Location: Geelong

chikoroll_ wrote:

this is a national penal colony

there is only criminals, guards and visitors here....

proud to be of criminal decent, he is a LEGEND

Well Said mate, I agree 100%..... He is a Legend

Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Location: Newcastle, NSW

RUFF wrote:

toaddog wrote:

Ruff

Why did you ask the question in the first place?

It was a questioned asked on Nova in Brisbane the other day. And he was likened to Ned Kelly by more than one listener.

I bet they had Southern Cross tattoos

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Location: Check your six.

Bit disturbing to find that individuals who conduct murders and stand over for money can be considered legends.

It is just plain wrong.

Joined: 18 Oct 2004

Being funny doesn't make him any less of a murdering scumbag.

Joined: 20 Oct 2002 Location: Greenbank

RoadNazi wrote:

Bit disturbing to find that individuals who conduct murders and stand over for money can be considered legends.

It is just plain wrong.

This can not be something that has only just occured to you though can it?

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Location: Check your six.

Huh???

Joined: 20 Oct 2002 Location: Greenbank

RoadNazi wrote:

Huh???

You didnt just realise today that people regard these types of individuals as legends?

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Location: Check your six.

RUFF wrote:

RoadNazi wrote:

Huh???

You didnt just realise today that people regard these types of individuals as legends?

No, but it would seem that people like him, footballers that deal drugs, footballers who hang with crims, celebrity crooks tend to get legend status when real heros like doctors, professors, decent law makers etc are just forgotten. People have their priorities plain wrong.

CR and NK types should be shunned.

Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Location: Geelong

Some people criticize Ned Kelly and Mr Reid, Yet some class Ablett snr as a Aussie Legend, He is nothing more than a Drug Dealing, Rapist Murderer, So what makes him so specal and Kelly and Reid any different? They too are Legends in their own way, And to may people they are legends, I have met Mr Reid and I really like him, he is a great bloke

Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Location: Inala Ponds

He is not a scum bag if all he did was kill other crims worse than himself. Even if it was for personal gain. If the cops would do thier job poeple like chopper would not have to do sh*t like that.

Don't know enough on Kelly to comment, but he was a cop killing crim.
In some cases i would applaud him for the cop killing though, most of them are just as much low life scum as all the murdering rapist behind bars. Bunch of revenue raising hot headed egotistical self righteous c**ts!!
So you can't really say kelly is any different from chopper in most respects.

Also if the criminal system worked the way it should chopper would have been punished for his crimes and would not have been able made into the lengend he now seems to be. But as usual the system doesn't work.

BTW I voted lengend.

Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Location: Adelaide

basketcase wrote:

In some cases i would applaud him for the cop killing

basketcase wrote:

most (cops) are just as much low life scum as all the murdering rapist behind bars.

basketcase wrote:

(Cops are a) bunch of revenue raising hot headed egotistical self righteous c**ts!!

I keep forgetting that our police are regularly faced with attitudes like this. Crying or Very sad

Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Location: where ever the track takes me

basketcase wrote:

He is not a scum bag if all he did was kill other crims worse than himself. Even if it was for personal gain. If the cops would do thier job poeple like chopper would not have to do sh*t like that.

Don't know enough on Kelly to comment, but he was a cop killing crim.
In some cases i would applaud him for the cop killing though, most of them are just as much low life scum as all the murdering rapist behind bars. Bunch of revenue raising hot headed egotistical self righteous c**ts!!
So you can't really say kelly is any different from chopper in most respects.

Also if the criminal system worked the way it should chopper would have been punished for his crimes and would not have been able made into the lengend he now seems to be. But as usual the system doesn't work.

BTW I voted lengend.

Thats just plain disturbing mate, what has happend to you to form this opinion?

Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Location: Inala Ponds

muddydigger wrote:

basketcase wrote:

He is not a scum bag if all he did was kill other crims worse than himself. Even if it was for personal gain. If the cops would do thier job poeple like chopper would not have to do sh*t like that.

Don't know enough on Kelly to comment, but he was a cop killing crim.
In some cases i would applaud him for the cop killing though, most of them are just as much low life scum as all the murdering rapist behind bars. Bunch of revenue raising hot headed egotistical self righteous c**ts!!
So you can't really say kelly is any different from chopper in most respects.

Also if the criminal system worked the way it should chopper would have been punished for his crimes and would not have been able made into the lengend he now seems to be. But as usual the system doesn't work.

BTW I voted lengend.

Thats just plain disturbing mate, what has happend to you to form this opinion?

Many reasons, some I wont go into.

When I was growing up, my mother and father had fairly violent domestics and the cops rearly showed up when called and when they did it was hours to late.

One altercation when I was about 19. I know I was being a smart ass but a few plain clothes police had me by the throat up against a wall theatening to beat me within an inch of my life and dump me by the river. What I did was stupid to make them want to do this, but I still believe if my girlfriend of the time and her friend were not there they would have gone through with that threat.

I have been beaten badly at Strathpine by four people and the cops did actually happen to swing by and stop it. But told me they were not going to let me press charges because it would be to much paper work for them. I was 17 didn't think I could do anything about it.

Other reasons I wont go into would not make me look good Laughing

But some of the sh*t I have seen cops do was horrendous. Not just dodgey sh*t, being involved with criminals and other down right criminal acts.

Most cops seem to care more about giving some kid a speeding ticket that even though they might deserve, the cops should be concentraiting on much larger probelms such as domestic violence.

Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Location: Geelong

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Many reasons, some I wont go into.

When I was growing up, my mother and father had fairly violent domestics and the cops rearly showed up when called and when they did it was hours to late.

One altercation when I was about 19. I know I was being a smart ass but a few plain clothes police had me by the throat up against a wall theatening to beat me within an inch of my life and dump me by the river. What I did was stupid to make them want to do this, but I still believe if my girlfriend of the time and her friend were not there they would have gone through with that threat.

I have been beaten badly at Strathpine by four people and the cops did actually happen to swing by and stop it. But told me they were not going to let me press charges because it would be to much paper work for them. I was 17 didn't think I could do anything about it.

Other reasons I wont go into would not make me look good Laughing

But some of the sh*t I have seen cops do was horrendous. Not just dodgey sh*t, being involved with criminals and other down right criminal acts.

Most cops seem to care more about giving some kid a speeding ticket that even though they might deserve, the cops should be concentraiting on much larger probelms such as domestic violence.

Mate i know how you feel, Ive been bashed and i was nearly killed, the copper who though he might intervine was over 200 mts away and sat the the red light for 3 minutes while i was getting stopend stabed and kicked by just over 15 people, I think shit like this if bloody disgusting, if he and his partner had have ran the lights i would have only had a broken jaw, not 4 broken bones 2 stab wounds and a ABI, so im with you on this they are more conserned with revenue that helping out the people and trying to fix the bigger problems.

Cheers Tristo

Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Location: where ever the track takes me

basketcase wrote:

muddydigger wrote:

basketcase wrote:

He is not a scum bag if all he did was kill other crims worse than himself. Even if it was for personal gain. If the cops would do thier job poeple like chopper would not have to do sh*t like that.

Don't know enough on Kelly to comment, but he was a cop killing crim.
In some cases i would applaud him for the cop killing though, most of them are just as much low life scum as all the murdering rapist behind bars. Bunch of revenue raising hot headed egotistical self righteous c**ts!!
So you can't really say kelly is any different from chopper in most respects.

Also if the criminal system worked the way it should chopper would have been punished for his crimes and would not have been able made into the lengend he now seems to be. But as usual the system doesn't work.

BTW I voted lengend.

Thats just plain disturbing mate, what has happend to you to form this opinion?

Many reasons, some I wont go into.

When I was growing up, my mother and father had fairly violent domestics and the cops rearly showed up when called and when they did it was hours to late.

One altercation when I was about 19. I know I was being a smart ass but a few plain clothes police had me by the throat up against a wall theatening to beat me within an inch of my life and dump me by the river. What I did was stupid to make them want to do this, but I still believe if my girlfriend of the time and her friend were not there they would have gone through with that threat.

I have been beaten badly at Strathpine by four people and the cops did actually happen to swing by and stop it. But told me they were not going to let me press charges because it would be to much paper work for them. I was 17 didn't think I could do anything about it.

Other reasons I wont go into would not make me look good Laughing

But some of the sh*t I have seen cops do was horrendous. Not just dodgey sh*t, being involved with criminals and other down right criminal acts.

Most cops seem to care more about giving some kid a speeding ticket that even though they might deserve, the cops should be concentraiting on much larger probelms such as domestic violence.

With out knowing you, it would seem by what you have written a good portion of this was brought apon yoursef, Ie " I wont go into it as it would make me look bad" I take it are things your not particualy proud of? I am not a copper, my brother in law is, and I have a few freinds who also are, most cases have the attitude if your civil they will be too, if your an ass ( and thats not to say you are or were at the time) then they will return the favour.
Ill just leave it with a thought for you, most of the coppers mearly follow the orders and can only react when the information is given o them Ie why were they so late, proberly becasue the wer trying to stop some young woman getting bashed by some fagot partner high on drugs. They can only deal with one case at a time.
Most of the coppers are family people who just want to do their job and go home to their families after.
I an tell you there has been a signicant diffrence in my brother in law since he joined, he attributes this to he has now seen the worst of human behaviour! and its disturbing, he says trust me, CSI and law and order are nothing compared to seeing it for real.
There are some bad apples in the basket and thats a trait of being human, which is what they are, they make mistakes, there are bad ones as well, but this is only a small portion of a force thet genuinly just want to help the people they are payed to serve.
It sounds like you have had a rough time, and I cant judge you nor do I intend to, but may be if have a little understanding, and treat them with alittle respect when you have casue to sppek to them then the favour just may be returned and youll see they are not all a Holes and by in large the majority are doing a job and bloody hard one at that.

Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Location: Inala Ponds

muddydigger wrote:

basketcase wrote:

Many reasons, some I wont go into.

When I was growing up, my mother and father had fairly violent domestics and the cops rearly showed up when called and when they did it was hours to late.

One altercation when I was about 19. I know I was being a smart ass but a few plain clothes police had me by the throat up against a wall theatening to beat me within an inch of my life and dump me by the river. What I did was stupid to make them want to do this, but I still believe if my girlfriend of the time and her friend were not there they would have gone through with that threat.

I have been beaten badly at Strathpine by four people and the cops did actually happen to swing by and stop it. But told me they were not going to let me press charges because it would be to much paper work for them. I was 17 didn't think I could do anything about it.

Other reasons I wont go into would not make me look good Laughing

But some of the sh*t I have seen cops do was horrendous. Not just dodgey sh*t, being involved with criminals and other down right criminal acts.

Most cops seem to care more about giving some kid a speeding ticket that even though they might deserve, the cops should be concentraiting on much larger probelms such as domestic violence.

With out knowing you, it would seem by what you have written a good portion of this was brought apon yoursef, Ie " I wont go into it as it would make me look bad" I take it are things your not particualy proud of? I am not a copper, my brother in law is, and I have a few freinds who also are, most cases have the attitude if your civil they will be too, if your an ass ( and thats not to say you are or were at the time) then they will return the favour.
Ill just leave it with a thought for you, most of the coppers mearly follow the orders and can only react when the information is given o them Ie why were they so late, proberly becasue the wer trying to stop some young woman getting bashed by some fagot partner high on drugs. They can only deal with one case at a time.
Most of the coppers are family people who just want to do their job and go home to their families after.
I an tell you there has been a signicant diffrence in my brother in law since he joined, he attributes this to he has now seen the worst of human behaviour! and its disturbing, he says trust me, CSI and law and order are nothing compared to seeing it for real.
There are some bad apples in the basket and thats a trait of being human, which is what they are, they make mistakes, there are bad ones as well, but this is only a small portion of a force thet genuinly just want to help the people they are payed to serve.
It sounds like you have had a rough time, and I cant judge you nor do I intend to, but may be if have a little understanding, and treat them with alittle respect when you have casue to sppek to them then the favour just may be returned and youll see they are not all a Holes and by in large the majority are doing a job and bloody hard one at that.

I do admit that some was brought on by my immature behaviour. But even with some of the stuff that "would make me look bad", what the cops did then was not brought on by me or anyone I was invloved with. What these cops were doing was criminal, they were worse than anyone they were dealing with.

Even though I may have acted like an ass and brought it on my self when I was being threatendby the plain clothes police. They are cops and meant to be a role model and a pillar of the community. Even though it is a hard job, they chose to become a cop and should be upholding the law and be responsable for thier actions if they are dirty and break the law. I know there would be a few good cops out there that due thier job to the best of thier ability. But from I have seen and experienced, I am yet to come accros these good cops.

Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Location: Lost in Melbourne.

Emo wrote:

All the so called stories about Ned turning bad because of corrupt Police were from his side only

you would expect the cops to say otherwise in the day?

Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Location: Lost in Melbourne.

RoadNazi wrote:

Bit disturbing to find that individuals who conduct murders and stand over for money can be considered legends.

It is just plain wrong.

Roger Rogerson.

Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Location: melbourne eastern burbs

they both have a legend status.

legend does not necessarily mean hero, good bloke etc, but means they have a persona and story that surrounds them which is known by many.

if by legend you mean hero then neither kelly or reid are such.

chopper is an out and out thug who should not be glorified through media.
i was once at the airport , and whilst standing alongside chop a bloke walked up with his young son and asked chop if he could get a photo of him with his son.

i mean come on, should we really glorify such people?

Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Location: Geelong

LmcD wrote:

they both have a legend status.

legend does not necessarily mean hero, good bloke etc, but means they have a persona and story that surrounds them which is known by many.

if by legend you mean hero then neither kelly or reid are such.

chopper is an out and out thug who should not be glorified through media.
i was once at the airport , and whilst standing alongside chop a bloke walked up with his young son and asked chop if he could get a photo of him with his son.

i mean come on, should we really glorify such people?

Mate, If you ran into Gary ablett snr, would you ask for an autograph or a photo?

Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Location: wa

RoadNazi wrote:

RUFF wrote:

RoadNazi wrote:

Huh???

You didnt just realise today that people regard these types of individuals as legends?

No, but it would seem that people like him, footballers that deal drugs, footballers who hang with crims, celebrity crooks tend to get legend status when real heros like doctors, professors, decent law makers etc are just forgotten. People have their priorities plain wrong.

CR and NK types should be shunned.

There are lots of "heroic" and well remembered doctors and professors.

As for "Law Makers".... I guess you can draw your own conclusions as to why they are forgotten, and those who flout them are cherished. I think it's always been a part of the way Aussies see themselves, although that seems to be fading these days.

Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Location: melbourne eastern burbs

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Mate, If you ran into Gary ablett snr, would you ask for an autograph or a photo?[/quote]

fair point Embarassed

i forgot chopper played 248 senior games, kicked 1,030 goals, made seven All Australian sides, won the Coleman Medal, won the Norm Smith Medal.

that is what a seven year old boy is told about gary ablett. Wink

Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Location: Lost in Melbourne.

LmcD wrote:

fair point Embarassed

i forgot chopper played 248 senior games, kicked 1,030 goals, made seven All Australian sides, won the Coleman Medal, won the Norm Smith Medal.

that is what a seven year old boy is told about gary ablett. Wink

Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Location: Geelong

LmcD wrote:

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Mate, If you ran into Gary ablett snr, would you ask for an autograph or a photo?

fair point Embarassed

i forgot chopper played 248 senior games, kicked 1,030 goals, made seven All Australian sides, won the Coleman Medal, won the Norm Smith Medal.

that is what a seven year old boy is told about gary ablett. Wink

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the fact he plaed football means nothing let alone 248 games, your saying, you would rather glorify a drug dealing rapist merderer than a guy who killed a bunch of crooks??

Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Location: Lost in Melbourne.

Tristo4.0 wrote:

the fact he plaed football means nothing let alone 248 games, your saying, you would rather glorify a drug dealing rapist merderer than a guy who killed a bunch of crooks??

I've never seen Gary Ablett the football player charged and convicted of murder, can you post a URL pls.

Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Location: Geelong

bogged wrote:

Tristo4.0 wrote:

the fact he plaed football means nothing let alone 248 games, your saying, you would rather glorify a drug dealing rapist merderer than a guy who killed a bunch of crooks??

I've never seen Gary Ablett the football player charged and convicted of murder, can you post a URL pls.

He wasnt convicted, thats what shits me most and the fact people know he did it but the courts have done nothing nor the police.

and i dont have a url