HELP NEEDED!! Rangie won't start

Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Location: West Victoria

I drove it saturday last week and parked it. Sunday morning it would not start.

Just had the RACV out here and she has good spark, fuel and good vacuum/compression. He even put fuel in through the vacuum line and it would not start.

I need help, it is gonna cost me if I have to send it to a local shop.

Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Location: Brisbane, Sumner Park

Your gonna need to post details of what rangie it is. what engine it is, efi/carb? etc etc
any work been done to it blah blah

Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Location: West Victoria

Yeah! that might help.

It is a 89 rangie, 3.5lt V8, efi, electronic ignition, bosch coil and as far as I know it is standard. Have just bought it.

And before anyone asks, yes there is fuel in the tank.

Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Location: Healesville

I had similar proble with mine. found out that while trying to start thr rover wiring setup draws power from getting a good spark. so try using jump battery and leads (which you've probably already had to do). rip a plug out after it has been sitting for a little while (a day) after cranking it over and see how wet the plugs are. I found on mine had a couple of leaky/faulty injectors and even before I began cranking the enigine it had flooded itself.

Just another thought, is yours on dual fuel. if it is does it have the option on the fuels switch to start on gas. mine has thats why I ask.

Another thing if its on gas, try the AFM, and make sure the flap isn't stuck shut. some RR have this problem on gas after b/firing or on shut down.

Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Location: West Victoria

I had a ctek xs7000 charger hooked up to the battery while trying to start it and I have a good spark at the plugs.

The plugs were dry we I pulled them out, so it is not flooding and it is not dual fuel so no gas problems.

The AFM is working properly and getting plenty of vacuum.

The racv mechanic said there is no reason it should not start.

I thought it must be a rangie thing, I don't understand why it was going Sat arvo and not on Sunday.

Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Location: Munruben/Brisbane

is the fuel pump working ok

Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Location: West Victoria

Yep! Fuel pump is buzzing away nicely, plenty of fuel at the fuel rail.

We even fed fuel in through the vacuum lines to make sure it was getting enough fuel.

Joined: 13 Sep 2004 Location: Melbourne

Are the injectors in these electronicly controlled?
My Jeep wouldn't start at one point due to the injectors not firing. Same symptoms as this had fuel and spark but wouldn't fire.

Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Location: West Victoria

Checked the injector pulse and they are working.

Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Location: Healesville

If youve been cranking the engine and youve removed ythe plugs and they are dry, then there is something wrong there. if its getting fuel atomising out of the injectors seeing as though they are fine the plugs should be wet.

fuel pump working = operating pressure at fuel reg/rail (make sure not bypassing in pump or prssure reg

injectors pulsing + fuel pressure = atomised fuel

plenty of spark and atomised fuel = BANG!

Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Location: West Victoria

360rangie wrote:

fuel pump working = operating pressure at fuel reg/rail (make sure not bypassing in pump or prssure reg

injectors pulsing + fuel pressure = atomised fuel

plenty of spark and atomised fuel = BANG!

So how do I make sure it's not bypassing in pump or pressure reg?

Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Location: Yinnar South, Vic

You need to check fuel pressure with a gauge, or just aerostart the farker and see what happens

Joined: 29 May 2003 Location: hidin frm da wiminz!!!

possibly stupid sugestion on my part.
Check the dizzy.. is it loose? I don't think it could get so far out of timing so as to not start but might be possible Question

good luck.

Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Location: West Victoria

I don't have a guage to test the pressure.

The RACV guy put fuel in through the vacuum line at the top of the injector cover, that would have the same affect as aerostart, wouldn't it?

Anyway it made no difference, farker still won't start and it's pissin me off!

Yes the dizzy is secure and doesn't move.

No rangie mechanics up this way either, suppose that's what I get for livin in the middle of bumfark county.

Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Location: Healesville

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The RACV guy put fuel in through the vacuum line at the top of the injector cover, that would have the same affect as aerostart, wouldn't it?

Anyway it made no difference, farker still won't start and it's pissin me off!

It wont make any difference. it needs the pressure behind it to let the fuel in. injectors are only open for a poofteenth of a bees di@k and it needs pressure behind it to spray fuel pastthe nozzle. one check you could do manually is remove the pressure line from the pump and hold your finger over it very tightly and turn the ignition on. if nothing comes out or it only dribbles out the problem could be your pump and thats a simple swapsy.

IF it sprays out all over you and the engine bay. then its time to work further down the line and that leaves your pressure reg.

if you dont have a fuel pressure gauge do you know anyone thats got a fuel reg that you know works maybe pinch it off a running car just for the test.

This RACV guy sounds like theyve scraped him of the TAFE workshop floor. WAN$%R. Thats like pissing on a fuel tanker fire. Nice try but its not gunna help.

Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Location: West Victoria

OK I disconnected the fuel line at the pump and put my finger over the line, while a friend cranked the motor.

I was able to hold my finger there with no fuel coming out. I released my finger slightly and there was enough pressure to spray the fuel about a foot from the pump.

So from your description I guess the pump is farked, is that correct?

Will this pump fit?
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Also will a fuel tank from a 98 Disco fit the 89 rangie?

Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Location: New Zealand

No that pump wont fit your steel tank, the 98 disco is a plastic tank, and I think they are too long to fit a Rr chassis

Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Location: West Victoria

The 98 disco tank I have been offered is a long ranger steel tank, will it fit?

Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Location: New Zealand

I doubt it, the disco is longer behind the rear axle.

Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Location: Healesville

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OK I disconnected the fuel line at the pump and put my finger over the line, while a friend cranked the motor.

I was able to hold my finger there with no fuel coming out. I released my finger slightly and there was enough pressure to spray the fuel about a foot from the pump.

So from your description I guess the pump is farked, is that correct?

It sounds to me you amy have found your problem.

Maybe put the call out on OL has anyone got a spare fuel pump Corgie Carrier can have a lend. Or just bite the bullet and go to your local parts dealer and pick one up.

Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Location: Yinnar South, Vic

Corgie Carrier wrote:

the pump is farked

Who'd have guessed Very Happy

Gotta love a fuel pressure gauge armsup

Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Location: Yinnar South, Vic

bigbad wrote:

I doubt it, the disco is longer behind the rear axle.

'tis not

Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Location: West Victoria

OK I'll start a new topic askin for a fuel pump.

What is a new one worth?

Thanks for all your help fellas.

So Cloughy, will the 98 disco steel long ranger tank fit the classic?

Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Location: Yinnar South, Vic

Never done that particular swap, just have a look at the mounts, if they're the same, your in Very Happy

Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Location: mornington peninsula

ive been told the disco tanks will go in a rangie with minimal work involved they normally run them when they do a disco to rangie efi conversion

Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Location: Yinnar South, Vic

RR changed rear tank mounts from 3 bolt to 2 bolt with EFI in 86 Wink

Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Location: West Victoria

Would it effect the efi if I used an external pump like the older rangies?

I was thinking that while fitting the new tank I can put an outlet in the bottom and using an external pump, like the holley blue or similar.

It will make it easier to change if it stops in the bush.

Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Location: Yinnar South, Vic

Yes, but EFI pumps are high pressure 30-40psi, carb pumps are low pressure 4-6psi

You'll need an external EFI pump, best are just VL commodore bosch or equivelant, then depending on a tank, maybe a surge tank/swirl pot

Now your gonna ask what that is hey?

Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Location: New Zealand

cloughy wrote:

bigbad wrote:

I doubt it, the disco is longer behind the rear axle.

'tis not

Maybe not then, Embarassed

When I looked under my disco it looked longer, but it appears the tank actually goes under the x member behind the axle, whereas the 89 Rr stops behind the x member and all the mountings are different, have measured those Wink

Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Location: Yinnar South, Vic

bigbad wrote:

and all the mountings are different, have measured those Wink

Welder and grinder make fix Very Happy