Ebay Asshats

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Location: Wheeling in my backyard

Why the F@RK do people bid on things that they don't want???? and you can't even leave the F@RKTARDS negative feedback!!!!

Rant off

Oh yeah his ID is

wild009

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:49 pm

Hi

Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne

To increase the value of goods on there for friends / relatives generally.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:51 pm

Of course you can leave negative feedback. Just hit the positive feedback button then write what you want! The last one I left was something like "Is nothing but an outbreak of genital herpes"

Joined: 20 Oct 2002 Location: Greenbank

4130warrior wrote:

Of course you can leave negative feedback. Just hit the positive feedback button then write what you want! The last one I left was something like "Is nothing but an outbreak of genital herpes"

I wouldnt even notice your comment if i was checking someones history. If they have 0 Negs i dont bother reading the comments.

Joined: 20 Oct 2002 Location: Greenbank

sierrajim wrote:

Why the F@RK do people bid on things that they don't want???? and you can't even leave the F@RKTARDS negative feedback!!!!

Rant off

Oh yeah his ID is

wild009

Its bullshit now that a seller can not leave NEG Feedback. As a seller and a buyer i have had more bad experiances with buyers than i have with sellers. Yet i cant leave Neg Feedback if i buyer bids on my stuff but does not complete the transaction. I no longer leave feedback untill i have received possitive feedback. If they left Neg i wont bother leaving them feedback at all. So far though i have never received Neg Feedback. Personally i beleive there allways has been more dodgy buyers on Ebay than sellers. And now Ebay favour the buyer.

Its a real shame that there is no other auction site that comes close to the amount of items or buyers available on Ebay.

PS; Bruce dont bother mentioning Oztion. Its a Slow POS that has almost nothing and nobody on it. They have a long way to go before people will even concider using it. And the new Trading post auction site is just as bad.

I think the next thing in Aus that will end up popular is Craigs list. It is getting more and more popular in the US everyday as more people get sick of Ebays BS.

Joined: 20 Oct 2002 Location: Greenbank

T_Diesel wrote:

To increase the value of goods on there for friends / relatives generally.

I think you will find someone was bidding on James's item and didnt complete the transaction.

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Location: Canberra

http://www.dola.com.au/onlineauction/auction/xcAuction.asp

Local Canberra auction site that works well, no reason fr everybody not to use it, it just needs to get more poular thats all, Oztion is a bit ordinary.

Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Location: Lost in Melbourne.

RUFF wrote:

PS; Bruce dont bother mentioning Oztion. Its a Slow POS that has almost nothing and nobody on it. They have a long way to go before people will even concider using it. And the new Trading post auction site is just as bad..

Who me? Im no fan of Oztion at all... somehow we got charged $5.00 to post up 2x items startin at 50cents, but everyone keeps telling me this website thats free to advertise.

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Location: Wheeling in my backyard

RUFF wrote:

T_Diesel wrote:

To increase the value of goods on there for friends / relatives generally.

I think you will find someone was bidding on James's item and didnt complete the transaction.

Correct. If i had someone pushing them up i wouldn't be pissed.

There is something to be said about the simplicity of the trading post. They call, they inspect, they make an offer then they pay and leave.

Joined: 10 Dec 2002 Location: Sydney

sierrajim wrote:

RUFF wrote:

T_Diesel wrote:

To increase the value of goods on there for friends / relatives generally.

I think you will find someone was bidding on James's item and didnt complete the transaction.

Correct. If i had someone pushing them up i wouldn't be pissed.

There is something to be said about the simplicity of the trading post. They call, they inspect, they make an offer then they pay and leave.

the thing that pisses me off browsing the trading post ( paper) is all the friggen trader ads!

Jes

Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Location: Lost in Melbourne.

jessie928 wrote:

the thing that pisses me off browsing the trading post ( paper) is all the friggen trader ads!

Jes

cant you select private only now? You used to be able to...
couldnt agree more though.

Joined: 10 Dec 2002 Location: Sydney

bogged wrote:

jessie928 wrote:

the thing that pisses me off browsing the trading post ( paper) is all the friggen trader ads!

Jes

cant you select private only now? You used to be able to...
couldnt agree more though.

i hate browsing online trading post, you miss to many things that may be misspelt. i meant the paper version. I guess its years of trawling the paper version you get some sort of attachment Very Happy

Jes

Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Location: Lost in Melbourne.

jessie928 wrote:

i hate browsing online trading post, you miss to many things that may be misspelt. i meant the paper version. I guess its years of trawling the paper version you get some sort of attachment Very Happy

Jes

ah yea, thought you meant th online gig.
Must admit I used to buy it every week, and scan the pages for gear I didnt need.. but the online one is shithouse, more business' doing it now than private ones :(

Joined: 29 May 2003 Location: hidin frm da wiminz!!!

sorry mate i couldn't find any????
http://search.ebay.com.au/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=asshat&category0=

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Location: Wheeling in my backyard

Quote:

Thank you,

So in other words Ebay is saving on resources by cutting down the amount of time required to solve problems between buyers and sellers. Effectively taking away any idea that Sellers had about Buyers that could potentially waste their time.

Thank you for your assistance.

PS. I was a strong believer in the Ebay feedback system as it provided a clear picture of both sellers and buyers. Now it seems Ebay is just another Classifieds site on the internet.

Previous Message Follows
-------------------------

Hello James,

Thank you for writing to eBay. This is Cheryl and I appreciate the
chance to assist you with your concerns on feedback changes.

I can thoroughly see where you are coming from. It seems that you are
displeased with the FB changes particularly; Sellers will no longer be
able to leave negative or neutral Feedback for buyers. However, please
allow me to enlighten you with the advantages these changes are for.
The current system inhibits buyers from leaving honest Feedback for fear
of retaliation. This makes it harder for buyers to accurately judge
sellers. Also, when buyers receive negative Feedback they tend to buy
less often, which harms all sellers. These changes will enable buyers to
rate seller performance more accurately and protect sellers from buyers
who violate our policies.

At the moment, sellers can still respond to any negative or neutral
Feedback via the Reply to Feedback option. Buyers can also leave a
follow-up to their original Feedback.

Here’s what you can do if a buyer abuse their right on leaving negative
or neutral Feedback:

- If a buyer uses the threat of negative Feedback to demand more than
what was promised in the item description (e.g. they want overnight
delivery but only paid for standard delivery) you should immediately
report the buyer to eBay. If there is clear evidence of extortion eBay
will take action.

- You should lodge an Unpaid Item (UPI) claim. If the buyer fails to
respond to an UPI dispute, any negative or neutral feedback they left
will be removed (not just de-scored as in the past).

- If the buyer shows a pattern of behaviour and is suspended for UPI,
any negative or neutral feedback they left will be removed.

- You should lodge UPI disputes only when the buyer does not pay. Making
false claims could result in suspension.

If you would like to suggest a change to eBay policy, please visit:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/unsolicited-ideas.html

http://pages.ebay.com/help/newtoebay/suggest.html

We value your participation in our community and your feedback is very
important to us. Although you may not see the policy change as a result
of your email, the appropriate personnel will be made aware of your
position on this issue.

I appreciate your patience and understanding in this matter

Regards,

Cheryl B.
eBay Customer Support Team
_______________________________
Buyer protection on eBay.com.au has improved! PayPal Buyer Protection
will now cover eligible items for up to AU$3,000. Conditions apply. For
more information, go to:

http://pages.ebay.com.au/paypal/new-buyer-protection.html

Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

Form Message: %43400% 020305
User Feedback: 12
User State: ?01

Browser info: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET
CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)

Feedback > Feedback Concerns > The problem you're having with
feedback isn't listed

Item number:
2202494XXXXX $AU

Message: Hi,

The buyer of my item (wild009) has called me saying that the tyres are
the wrong size for what he wants. He says he WILL NOT buy the tyres.
I've sent out a second chance offer as i need them gone.

I don't know if i've done the wrong thing but have sent a message as i
think it was labelled a mutual cancellation. This guy NEEDS negative
feedback left against him. How do i do that without having to wait out a
longer period?

There is nothing wrong with my product, he hasn't even been here and
looked at them, he was reminded he bought the item and said he had
forgotten, then gave me the story about the size.

Please let me know.

regards

james.

Joined: 28 Nov 2002 Location: Melbourne

RUFF wrote:

Its bullshit now that a seller can not leave NEG Feedback.

Are you kidding? The very basis of the success of ebay was the feedback. That's how it worked. How else do you know who to trust.

There's plenty of buyers who are sellers as well, and if you're a prick of a buyer, odds are you'll be a prick of a seller too, and I'd like to know that.

No wonder I rarely use ebay anymore, even the other half who was an ebay junkie (buyer) now just sells some old clothes and that's it. But with the bullshit paypal fees for selling, I doubt she do that for much longer either.

Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Location: Lost in Melbourne.

sierrajim wrote:

Quote:

Thank you,

So in other words Ebay is saving on resources by cutting down the amount of time required to solve problems between buyers and sellers. Effectively taking away any idea that Sellers had about Buyers that could potentially waste their time.

Thank you for your assistance.

PS. I was a strong believer in the Ebay feedback system as it provided a clear picture of both sellers and buyers. Now it seems Ebay is just another Classifieds site on the internet.

Previous Message Follows
-------------------------

Hello James,

Thank you for writing to eBay. This is Cheryl and I appreciate the
chance to assist you with your concerns on feedback changes.

I can thoroughly see where you are coming from. It seems that you are
displeased with the FB changes particularly; Sellers will no longer be
able to leave negative or neutral Feedback for buyers. However, please
allow me to enlighten you with the advantages these changes are for.
The current system inhibits buyers from leaving honest Feedback for fear
of retaliation. This makes it harder for buyers to accurately judge
sellers. Also, when buyers receive negative Feedback they tend to buy
less often, which harms all sellers. These changes will enable buyers to
rate seller performance more accurately and protect sellers from buyers
who violate our policies.

At the moment, sellers can still respond to any negative or neutral
Feedback via the Reply to Feedback option. Buyers can also leave a
follow-up to their original Feedback.

Here’s what you can do if a buyer abuse their right on leaving negative
or neutral Feedback:

- If a buyer uses the threat of negative Feedback to demand more than
what was promised in the item description (e.g. they want overnight
delivery but only paid for standard delivery) you should immediately
report the buyer to eBay. If there is clear evidence of extortion eBay
will take action.

- You should lodge an Unpaid Item (UPI) claim. If the buyer fails to
respond to an UPI dispute, any negative or neutral feedback they left
will be removed (not just de-scored as in the past).

- If the buyer shows a pattern of behaviour and is suspended for UPI,
any negative or neutral feedback they left will be removed.

- You should lodge UPI disputes only when the buyer does not pay. Making
false claims could result in suspension.

If you would like to suggest a change to eBay policy, please visit:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/unsolicited-ideas.html

http://pages.ebay.com/help/newtoebay/suggest.html

We value your participation in our community and your feedback is very
important to us. Although you may not see the policy change as a result
of your email, the appropriate personnel will be made aware of your
position on this issue.

I appreciate your patience and understanding in this matter

Regards,

Cheryl B.
eBay Customer Support Team
_______________________________
Buyer protection on eBay.com.au has improved! PayPal Buyer Protection
will now cover eligible items for up to AU$3,000. Conditions apply. For
more information, go to:

http://pages.ebay.com.au/paypal/new-buyer-protection.html

Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

Form Message: %43400% 020305
User Feedback: 12
User State: ?01

Browser info: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET
CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)

Feedback > Feedback Concerns > The problem you're having with
feedback isn't listed

Item number:
2202494XXXXX $AU

Message: Hi,

The buyer of my item (wild009) has called me saying that the tyres are
the wrong size for what he wants. He says he WILL NOT buy the tyres.
I've sent out a second chance offer as i need them gone.

I don't know if i've done the wrong thing but have sent a message as i
think it was labelled a mutual cancellation. This guy NEEDS negative
feedback left against him. How do i do that without having to wait out a
longer period?

There is nothing wrong with my product, he hasn't even been here and
looked at them, he was reminded he bought the item and said he had
forgotten, then gave me the story about the size.

Please let me know.

regards

james.

Nice form letter they send back... Rolling Eyes

Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Location: sydney

ah ebay! see thats why i have acouple of fake accounts . if a buyer screws me on a item im selling or doesnt pay now i just use my fake account and buy all of what he is selling . then that way thay get a taste of there own !

i try to be very fair when i sell or buy things like my last auction i was selling a rc truck . the guy that won it sends me a message after the auction finished saying he doesnt want it now . so i said on i will open a dispute so i can get a refund on the auction. all he had to do was say in the dispute he didnt want it and that would of been it. but insted he doesnt reply and now he received a unpaid item strike . Rolling Eyes

Joined: 20 Oct 2002 Location: Greenbank

Ben wrote:

RUFF wrote:

Its bullshit now that a seller can not leave NEG Feedback.

Are you kidding? The very basis of the success of ebay was the feedback. That's how it worked. How else do you know who to trust.

There's plenty of buyers who are sellers as well, and if you're a prick of a buyer, odds are you'll be a prick of a seller too, and I'd like to know that.

No wonder I rarely use ebay anymore, even the other half who was an ebay junkie (buyer) now just sells some old clothes and that's it. But with the bullshit paypal fees for selling, I doubt she do that for much longer either.

WTF are you talking about? Did you quote the right part of my post or what?

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Location: Wheeling in my backyard

And their latest reply.

So how many people can we muster up to send them feedback about their lack of feedback?

Quote:

Hello,

Thank you for writing to eBay. I am Edmund and I would be happy to
address your concerns regarding the new Feedback system that was
implemented on the site.

First of all, let me assure you that eBay is not trying to favour buyers
over sellers, nor are we attempting to disregard the problems that
Buyers and Sellers encounter when transaction. These changes to the
Feedback system are designed to improve the overall eBay marketplace
which should benefit both buyers and sellers. We expect that improving
the Feedback system will increase the number of buyers whose purchasing
expectations are met. This should result in more buying activity which
will benefit sellers.

In regards to the previous Feedback system, eBay found that the members,
particularly Buyers, were reluctant to hold others accountable through
Negative or Neutral Feedback for fear of receiving retaliatory feedback.
Because of this, we found that the previous system did not work as
designed and that it is hard to tell the good Sellers from the not so
good. With these new changes, so long as you are committed to giving
your Buyers a good experience on eBay, you, as a Seller, will benefit
from these changes since you will now stand out to Buyers a lot more.

Nonetheless, I understand your concerns regarding holding non-paying
Buyers accountable. Prior to these changes to the Feedback system
Sellers had the ability to issue an Unpaid Item strike and leave
Negative Feedback. Now, if Sellers have a payment issue with a Buyer,
they would open an Unpaid Item dispute with the Buyer. If the Buyer does
not respond to the dispute and that dispute is closed, the Buyer gives
up the ability to leave Feedback. In that way then, Sellers can defend
themselves from receiving Negative Feedback.

Furthermore, by opening an Unpaid Item dispute, it will prompt a
non-paying Buyer to make a payment. If the dispute is closed and the
Buyer has not complied, you will receive your Final Value Fees back and
our Trust and Safety Department, our department of investigations, will
take the appropriate action. The Buyer will receive an Unpaid Item
strike, which can possibly result in Suspension. So by opening an Unpaid
Item dispute then, you will be taking the proper steps to ensure that a
non-paying Buyer is reprimanded or removed from the eBay community.

To file an Unpaid Item dispute, please follow the steps below:

1. Click on the "My eBay" link located at the top of any eBay page. You
may be asked to sign in.

2. Then, click on the "Dispute Console" link located on the left side of
the page.

3. On your dispute console, click on the "Report an Unpaid Item" link.

True, Unpaid Item strikes are no public information in the same way that
Feedback is. However, there will now be ways that you can prevent
non-paying Buyers from purchasing your Items in the first place. Now
that the Unpaid Item process is the primary way that Sellers will take
action, eBay has improved the buyer requirements options available to
sellers. This will help sellers prevent certain buyers from bidding on
or buying their items. Sellers can choose to block:
Buyers with a recent unpaid item strike (new timing
feature)
Buyers with a recent eBay policy violation (new)

With these Buyer Requirements in place then, you can also ensure that
other Sellers are not effected by completing the Unpaid Item process.

It is worthwhile to note that when a Member is deregistered from the
site, that Member's Feedback would be removed from the site as well. In
that case, if an Unpaid Item strike you issue results in a non-paying
Buyer's suspension any Negative or Neutral Feedback you have received
from them would be removed.

Rest assured, that our policy makers intend to monitor the Feedback
system in the interest of perfecting it. If you would like, you can pass
on any suggestions you might have to our policy makers. Rest assured,
that eBay values the opinions of its Members, as the changes we make to
the site are typically driven by this sort of feedback from our Members.

To make a suggestion, follow these steps:

1. Go to: http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/newtoebay/suggest.html

2. Click the 'Send us your suggestion to improve the eBay site' link.
You may be asked to sign in.

3. Write your message explaining your suggestion and then click the Send
button.

As always, my goal is to help you with your questions as quickly and
accurately as possible. I appreciate your patience and understanding
regarding this matter and wish you continued success on eBay.

Best regards,

Edmund L.
eBay Customer Support Team

Joined: 20 Oct 2002 Location: Greenbank

sierrajim wrote:

If the dispute is closed and the
Buyer has not complied, you will receive your Final Value Fees back and
our Trust and Safety Department, our department of investigations, will
take the appropriate action.

But you will not receive a refund on your insertion fee. So in the end it cost you money.

Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Location: Lost in Melbourne.

sierrajim wrote:

And their latest reply.

So how many people can we muster up to send them feedback about their lack of feedback?

Quote:

Hello,

Thank you for writing to eBay. I am Edmund and I would be happy to
address your concerns regarding the new Feedback system that was
implemented on the site.

First of all, let me assure you that eBay is not trying to favour buyers
over sellers, nor are we attempting to disregard the problems that
Buyers and Sellers encounter when transaction. These changes to the
Feedback system are designed to improve the overall eBay marketplace
which should benefit both buyers and sellers. We expect that improving
the Feedback system will increase the number of buyers whose purchasing
expectations are met. This should result in more buying activity which
will benefit sellers.

In regards to the previous Feedback system, eBay found that the members,
particularly Buyers, were reluctant to hold others accountable through
Negative or Neutral Feedback for fear of receiving retaliatory feedback.
Because of this, we found that the previous system did not work as
designed and that it is hard to tell the good Sellers from the not so
good. With these new changes, so long as you are committed to giving
your Buyers a good experience on eBay, you, as a Seller, will benefit
from these changes since you will now stand out to Buyers a lot more.

Nonetheless, I understand your concerns regarding holding non-paying
Buyers accountable. Prior to these changes to the Feedback system
Sellers had the ability to issue an Unpaid Item strike and leave
Negative Feedback. Now, if Sellers have a payment issue with a Buyer,
they would open an Unpaid Item dispute with the Buyer. If the Buyer does
not respond to the dispute and that dispute is closed, the Buyer gives
up the ability to leave Feedback. In that way then, Sellers can defend
themselves from receiving Negative Feedback.

Furthermore, by opening an Unpaid Item dispute, it will prompt a
non-paying Buyer to make a payment. If the dispute is closed and the
Buyer has not complied, you will receive your Final Value Fees back and
our Trust and Safety Department, our department of investigations, will
take the appropriate action. The Buyer will receive an Unpaid Item
strike, which can possibly result in Suspension. So by opening an Unpaid
Item dispute then, you will be taking the proper steps to ensure that a
non-paying Buyer is reprimanded or removed from the eBay community.

To file an Unpaid Item dispute, please follow the steps below:

1. Click on the "My eBay" link located at the top of any eBay page. You
may be asked to sign in.

2. Then, click on the "Dispute Console" link located on the left side of
the page.

3. On your dispute console, click on the "Report an Unpaid Item" link.

True, Unpaid Item strikes are no public information in the same way that
Feedback is. However, there will now be ways that you can prevent
non-paying Buyers from purchasing your Items in the first place. Now
that the Unpaid Item process is the primary way that Sellers will take
action, eBay has improved the buyer requirements options available to
sellers. This will help sellers prevent certain buyers from bidding on
or buying their items. Sellers can choose to block:
Buyers with a recent unpaid item strike (new timing
feature)
Buyers with a recent eBay policy violation (new)

With these Buyer Requirements in place then, you can also ensure that
other Sellers are not effected by completing the Unpaid Item process.

It is worthwhile to note that when a Member is deregistered from the
site, that Member's Feedback would be removed from the site as well. In
that case, if an Unpaid Item strike you issue results in a non-paying
Buyer's suspension any Negative or Neutral Feedback you have received
from them would be removed.

Rest assured, that our policy makers intend to monitor the Feedback
system in the interest of perfecting it. If you would like, you can pass
on any suggestions you might have to our policy makers. Rest assured,
that eBay values the opinions of its Members, as the changes we make to
the site are typically driven by this sort of feedback from our Members.

To make a suggestion, follow these steps:

1. Go to: http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/newtoebay/suggest.html

2. Click the 'Send us your suggestion to improve the eBay site' link.
You may be asked to sign in.

3. Write your message explaining your suggestion and then click the Send
button.

As always, my goal is to help you with your questions as quickly and
accurately as possible. I appreciate your patience and understanding
regarding this matter and wish you continued success on eBay.

Best regards,

Edmund L.
eBay Customer Support Team

nice form letter again

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Location: Wheeling in my backyard

And yet another F Tard who bought a bull bar, not even contact to arrange a pick up date cussing

WTF is wrong with people Question

Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Location: Newie

T_Diesel wrote:

To increase the value of goods on there for friends / relatives generally.

Shilling Bidding/Price driving such as this is illegal in Australia. I know of 1 current case in NSW where the seller and his associates are going through the courts being sued to the value of $90,000 for price driving on Ebay bids.

The ACCC has also dealt with Ebay directly regarding this in the past. Being such a large entity, Ebay is hard for them to lean on (and they don't exactly have a great reputation for enforcing the rules, ie: petrol prices).
However the small claims court of NSW has set precedent on this matter, and Ebay has previously given evidence to the courts where friends/relatives have bid on item's in an attempt to increase the final sale price. With the outcome of the seller being charged, and being forced to refund the amount over the buyers initial bid.