Another digger down

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:40 am

An SAS soldier too Crying or Very sad

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=453712

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:49 am

meh pull out and let them sort themselves out.
if the locals arent going to stand up to insurgents then they deserve to die.
put my tax to better roads.

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

Whilst i see the need to be involved in the military action against the remaining Taliban soldiers and associated mujhadeen i question why we care about soldiers dying, no one makes them join as far as i know they are well aware of the risk and choose to take on the job regardless.

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: TREK go to SIDSandKIDS run

R.I.P

Jason

you will go to heaven as you have already been to hell Crying or Very sad

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:51 pm

fourbyconvert wrote:

Looks like another family for our taxes to support, Whilst i see the need to be involved in the military action against the remaining Taliban soldiers and associated mujhadeen i question why we care about soldiers dying, no one makes them join as far as i know they are well aware of the risk and choose to take on the job regardless.

Because you are their sworn enemy from the day they're born, for which they'd give their life to kill you. These guys are over there to try do something about it.

So you're saying the death of our own soldiers is an acceptable risk and you shouldn't care about them dying? I guess you slept in on Anzac day.... Rolling Eyes

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: TREK go to SIDSandKIDS run

fourbyconvert wrote:

Looks like another family for our taxes to support, Whilst i see the need to be involved in the military action against the remaining Taliban soldiers and associated mujhadeen i question why we care about soldiers dying, no one makes them join as far as i know they are well aware of the risk and choose to take on the job regardless.

I think its time for you to back to school
And learn something about our soldiers
and your freedom
boner

BigHomo4U Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne

R.I.P and deepest condolences to family and mates

You did not die in vain. You boys are doing a tremendous job in Afghanastan.

Lest we forget

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

boner59 wrote:

fourbyconvert wrote:

Looks like another family for our taxes to support, Whilst i see the need to be involved in the military action against the remaining Taliban soldiers and associated mujhadeen i question why we care about soldiers dying, no one makes them join as far as i know they are well aware of the risk and choose to take on the job regardless.

I think its time for you to back to school
And learn something about our soldiers
and your freedom
boner

No i didnt sllep in on anzac day, i was up for the dawn service as i am every year.

As for the above post, why what have i stated that suggests i am not aware of how our soldiers fight for our freedom?

My freedom has only been under threat once in the early 40s and i am forever indebted to the soldiers who volunteered as well as those conscripted to the cause. The current batch of soldiers who have signed up for the job as an occupation and are paid well to do so are aware of the risks involved and still choose to complete the task a very different situation to those who were conscripted.

So point out please what i need to be educated on in regards to the soldiers currently in Afghanistan and Iraq fighting a war that is of no concernt to my everyday safety.

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:36 pm

RIP mate

How can you win a war against a people who are happy to die for it?

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

-Nemesis- wrote:

fourbyconvert wrote:

Looks like another family for our taxes to support, Whilst i see the need to be involved in the military action against the remaining Taliban soldiers and associated mujhadeen i question why we care about soldiers dying, no one makes them join as far as i know they are well aware of the risk and choose to take on the job regardless.

Because you are their sworn enemy from the day they're born, for which they'd give their life to kill you. These guys are over there to try do something about it.

So you're saying the death of our own soldiers is an acceptable risk and you shouldn't care about them dying? I guess you slept in on Anzac day.... Rolling Eyes

Actually i am friends with quite a few afghanis and they arent violent or sworn to kill me from the day they were born, Also we are the invaders in there country so dont they have a right to defend themselves from the invaders and illegal occupiers of there country (us)

Remember who trained and armed the taliban to fight against the russians, Are you suggesting they were good enough to fight our battles for us when it suits but now they are ALL evil terrible horrible people because a small percentage of the population supported a terorist organisation?

And yes The death of our soldiers is an acceptable risk otherwise we wouldnt have armies would we? Why would we pay our soldiers if there was no risk everyone would just join for a chance to travel and see all the pretty sights.

If you can find me one afghani who is sworn to attack and kill Australian's (prior to us being involved in the invasion of there country) from birth ill give you $100

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

Squik wrote:

RIP mate

How can you win a war against a people who are happy to die for it?

Thats right, we talk about fighting for our freedom, guess what folks the afghanis currently fighting against the illegal occupiers and invaders are fighting for there freedom.

A real freedom fighter will fight a battle with more conviction then someone paid to do a job.

How about a RIP thread for all the innocent afghani's killed by our soldiers as theres alot more of them.

BigHomo4U Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne

fourbyconvent, learn something about the topic you speak on before you speak on it. And don't disrespect the fallen with unfounded opinion. If you wish to debate the Afghanistan conflict then start a new thread on the topic and go for it. Not here. A man is dead and this is an opportunity for some to pay their respects.

Joined: 10 May 2004 Location: Kalgoorlie WA

fourbyconvert wrote:

boner59 wrote:

fourbyconvert wrote:

Looks like another family for our taxes to support, Whilst i see the need to be involved in the military action against the remaining Taliban soldiers and associated mujhadeen i question why we care about soldiers dying, no one makes them join as far as i know they are well aware of the risk and choose to take on the job regardless.

I think its time for you to back to school
And learn something about our soldiers
and your freedom
boner

No i didnt sllep in on anzac day, i was up for the dawn service as i am every year.

As for the above post, why what have i stated that suggests i am not aware of how our soldiers fight for our freedom?

My freedom has only been under threat once in the early 40s and i am forever indebted to the soldiers who volunteered as well as those conscripted to the cause. The current batch of soldiers who have signed up for the job as an occupation and are paid well to do so are aware of the risks involved and still choose to complete the task a very different situation to those who were conscripted.

So point out please what i need to be educated on in regards to the soldiers currently in Afghanistan and Iraq fighting a war that is of no concernt to my everyday safety.

are for real mate ???? Shocked

Whilst you are true and correct that todays soldiers are career soldiers that does in no way lessen the impact to the family and friends of the deceased digger.

So if a cop gets shot in the line of duty his/her death is acceptable ...???? What about firefighters who willingly go into infernos and perishes ... ??

I think you better clarify your point of view mate before you piss more than a few off on this forum, me included.

It is a sad fact that countries do need armies. We are fortunate in this one to have a volunteer army whereby people can choose to enlist rather than be forced.

Pete

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

Sorry to anyone who may have been or are offended my comments, I in no way at all condone the killing of people in the line of duty.

It is a risk that many people take in there day to day lives in many fields and i respect them for the work that they do.

I do genuinely feel for the family and the sorrow they must be experiencing but am also of the opinion that these people who take these jobs must weigh up what forms the basis of most of our life choices and that is risk vs reward.

The people who fight for us have weighed up that risk and decided it is worth it for whatever reason so i find it hard at times to get to emotional about the subject especially when i see more civillian deaths go unnoticed by the general media and the general population these are the ones i really feel for as they have no option Aussie soldiers these days do get the chance to decide for themselves.

Once again im not out to upset or demonise our soldiers but am just trying to express my thoughts on the matter that unfortunantly goes against alot of people on the forum.

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

GQ Bear wrote:

fourbyconvent, learn something about the topic you speak on before you speak on it. And don't disrespect the fallen with unfounded opinion. If you wish to debate the Afghanistan conflict then start a new thread on the topic and go for it. Not here. A man is dead and this is an opportunity for some to pay their respects.

Ive clarified my comments, Now instead of taking the easy way out of a debate please educate me on what you think i fail to understand about the situation.

I am probably alot better versed on the situation in the country in question than many as i have close friends who are all from afghanistan and lived through the russian invasion and the rule of the taliban prior to the us invasion.

Plese point to any comment that i have made to back up your post that i have an unfounded opinion and need to research the topic - What topic would you like me to research and ill be happy to do so and report back on my findings for you.

Joined: 10 May 2004 Location: Kalgoorlie WA

roger that, at least I can follow your point/line of thinking now ... it was starting to sound like a bash .. Very Happy

Pete

Joined: 15 Dec 2003 Location: Townsville

My deepest sympathies go to Jasons family. It is another tragic loss. Crying or Very sad

As for fourbyconvert, take your criticisms elsewhere. You clearly don't have a clue on the war in Afghanistan and what it entails. The job we are doing over there is very worthwhile and the local afghan people (mostly) are happy we are there. Don't get Afghanistan confused with Iraq as they are two very different things. I could go on but would prefer to leave it at that in this thread. Sorry got a little annoyed as I have just returned from a deployment and these sort of comments tend to piss me off slightly.

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

BigMav wrote:

My deepest sympathies go to Jasons family. It is another tragic loss. Crying or Very sad

As for fourbyconvert, take your criticisms elsewhere. You clearly don't have a clue on the war in Afghanistan and what it entails. The job we are doing over there is very worthwhile and the local afghan people (mostly) are happy we are there. Don't get Afghanistan confused with Iraq as they are two very different things. I could go on but would prefer to leave it at that in this thread. Sorry got a little annoyed as I have just returned from a deployment and these sort of comments tend to piss me off slightly.

Sorry if i have offended you BIGMAV, i have tried to clarify i am in no way bashing our soldiers at all. If you took my post as one that causes you any discomfort or upsets you at all i apologise. In fact in my first post didnt i acknowledge there was a need for Aussie involvement there?

BigHomo4U Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne

fourbyconvert wrote:

GQ Bear wrote:

fourbyconvent, learn something about the topic you speak on before you speak on it. And don't disrespect the fallen with unfounded opinion. If you wish to debate the Afghanistan conflict then start a new thread on the topic and go for it. Not here. A man is dead and this is an opportunity for some to pay their respects.

Ive clarified my comments, Now instead of taking the easy way out of a debate please educate me on what you think i fail to understand about the situation.
I am probably alot better versed on the situation in the country in question than many as i have close friends who are all from afghanistan and lived through the russian invasion and the rule of the taliban prior to the us invasion.

Plese point to any comment that i have made to back up your post that i have an unfounded opinion and need to research the topic - What topic would you like me to research and ill be happy to do so and report back on my findings for you.

No. Not here.

Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Location: where ever the track takes me

Truley sorry for the loss of another digger
RIP mate, Youve done youre self, your family and your country proud.

But on a side note, the Commandos are not the SASR, they are diffrent regiments, 4RAR is a Commando Regiment. I dont want to detract from the terrible loss of an Aussie Digger, I just wish the Media would get it right, theres no such thing as an SAS Commando!

Joined: 15 Mar 2007 Location: PENRIFF

As a man who stood to attention and saluted the coffin of Jason Marks as it went by me on it's way to the aircraft that was to take him home I can say that the vast majority of the local people I have been in contact with in the short time I've been in country so far are in support of the Australian effort and that the amount of Afghani Taliban are wearing thin on the ground and alot of the enemy we are facing are being paid to come from places like Pakistan and Chechnya. Also very few of the suicide bombers are local as the Afghani's don't believe in wasting life. As for peoples comments in thisthread I expected alot worse from what I've seen in previous threads and yes I accept the ever present risk but for someone to question why we should morn the loss of anyone sickens me. Thank youto everyone who hadkind or thought ful words.
Shane.

Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Location: where ever the track takes me

SHANE055 wrote:

As a man who stood to attention and saluted the coffin of Jason Marks as it went by me on it's way to the aircraft that was to take him home I can say that the vast majority of the local people I have been in contact with in the short time I've been in country so far are in support of the Australian effort and that the amount of Afghani Taliban are wearing thin on the ground and alot of the enemy we are facing are being paid to come from places like Pakistan and Chechnya. Also very few of the suicide bombers are local as the Afghani's don't believe in wasting life. As for peoples comments in thisthread I expected alot worse from what I've seen in previous threads and yes I accept the ever present risk but for someone to question why we should morn the loss of anyone sickens me. Thank youto everyone who hadkind or thought ful words.
Shane.

Shane your a credit to a great nation, and should be proud, you are salt of the earth mate!
Stay safe and best wishes to you all serving over seas.
I have did my bit a fair while ago now and it the mateship that gets you through.
There will always be the mockers, as you know, but it generaly wankers whom have never served in our forces let alone overseas, that mock and are quick to judge.
Best of luck and come home safe, or thoughts and prays are with you and Jasons family.

Joined: 10 May 2004 Location: Kalgoorlie WA

muddydigger wrote:

SHANE055 wrote:

As a man who stood to attention and saluted the coffin of Jason Marks as it went by me on it's way to the aircraft that was to take him home I can say that the vast majority of the local people I have been in contact with in the short time I've been in country so far are in support of the Australian effort and that the amount of Afghani Taliban are wearing thin on the ground and alot of the enemy we are facing are being paid to come from places like Pakistan and Chechnya. Also very few of the suicide bombers are local as the Afghani's don't believe in wasting life. As for peoples comments in thisthread I expected alot worse from what I've seen in previous threads and yes I accept the ever present risk but for someone to question why we should morn the loss of anyone sickens me. Thank youto everyone who hadkind or thought ful words.
Shane.

Shane your a credit to a great nation, and should be proud, you are salt of the earth mate!
Stay safe and best wishes to you all serving over seas.
I have did my bit a fair while ago now and it the mateship that gets you through.
There will always be the mockers, as you know, but it generaly wankers whom have never served in our forces let alone overseas, that mock and are quick to judge.
Best of luck and come home safe, or thoughts and prays are with you and Jasons family.

x by one of bruce's ridiculous numbers

Joined: 15 Mar 2007 Location: PENRIFF

Thanks guys head down morale up
Shane

Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Location: Brisbane

My thoughts for the family of the fallen.

when I returned for deployment I found that alot of people with no real idea had the largest mouths. It's funny how the people who use our freedom to voice their opions the loudest never really think about who provides those freedoms.

What amazes me is that when a police officer or fire fighter no-one questions their actions, their service or reason for being there. Yet when a solider goes down his family must suffer all sorts of comments degrading the sacafise (SP) of the fallen, and their family.

What most peole forget is that although these people chose to serve their country, it's up to the government that YOU voted for that decides where they serve.

Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:42 am

muddydigger wrote:

SHANE055 wrote:

As a man who stood to attention and saluted the coffin of Jason Marks as it went by me on it's way to the aircraft that was to take him home I can say that the vast majority of the local people I have been in contact with in the short time I've been in country so far are in support of the Australian effort and that the amount of Afghani Taliban are wearing thin on the ground and alot of the enemy we are facing are being paid to come from places like Pakistan and Chechnya. Also very few of the suicide bombers are local as the Afghani's don't believe in wasting life. As for peoples comments in thisthread I expected alot worse from what I've seen in previous threads and yes I accept the ever present risk but for someone to question why we should morn the loss of anyone sickens me. Thank youto everyone who hadkind or thought ful words.
Shane.

Shane your a credit to a great nation, and should be proud, you are salt of the earth mate!
Stay safe and best wishes to you all serving over seas.
I have did my bit a fair while ago now and it the mateship that gets you through.
There will always be the mockers, as you know, but it generaly wankers whom have never served in our forces let alone overseas, that mock and are quick to judge.
Best of luck and come home safe, or thoughts and prays are with you and Jasons family.

could not have put it better myself!

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Location: Check your six.

http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/asfaras/video/video.html

Cop this, 66 years ago, on our doorstep...down on our knees.

Diggers. armsup

Joined: 26 Apr 2006 Location: darwin

after reading some of the comments in this post, i was pissed at the general conception of some of our follow forum users. all i can say is, if i saw you on fire fourbyconvert, i wouldn't piss on you, i would sit back with my marsh mellows and roast them on you.

why should we care about a soldier dying, meh you are a wanker.

makes you wonder why sometimes why soldiers leave there family's for months at times so someone like has the freedom of speech.

my heart and deepest sympathy goes out to jason's family, friends and his unit. may the sacrifice never be forgotten. i wish i could of been able to get out there and help.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:45 pm

RoadNazi wrote:

http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/asfaras/video/video.html

Cop this, 66 years ago, on our doorstep...down on our knees.

Diggers. armsup

Nice find RN...

All should read this:

http://shop.abc.net.au/browse/product.asp?productid=513037

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Location: Check your six.

-Nemesis- wrote:

RoadNazi wrote:

http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/asfaras/video/video.html

Cop this, 66 years ago, on our doorstep...down on our knees.

Diggers. armsup

Nice find RN...

All should read this:

http://shop.abc.net.au/browse/product.asp?productid=513037

Yeah, the documentary is by Damian Parer who was later killed by the Japs on an island whilst filming with the US military. His in your face cinemaphotography earned him an Oscar regarding our troops in Kokoda.

I met some wonderfull guys in the US recently that had the utmost admiration for the Aussies.